A Fourth Of July Pour With Heirloom Corn Bourbon from First West!

Welcome And Bottle First Impressions

SPEAKER_02 0:09

Welcome to the Whiskey Chasers, where we talk about our passion for whiskey and its history, either amongst ourselves or while interviewing distilleries. All while enjoying a glass. I'm Steve. I'm Nick, and I'm Chris. Please enjoy responsibly while enjoying this week's episode of The Whiskey Chasers. What we got there? Dark Strong or Dark Fired?

SPEAKER_03 0:31

Dark This one's called Dark Strong Kentucky. Dark Strong Kentucky, by the way. But it is but it's dark, dark-fired Kentucky. Uh Ripe Virginia's dark-fired Kentucky Tobacco. Yeah, I mean that's basically it. But they don't make it anymore. They don't make it anymore? Okay. Yeah, and this stuff was great. Along with this in bold Kentucky, I don't know. They still make dark-fired Kentucky, but like the big hitters are not produced anymore. I don't know why that is. So Steve, did you already pour yourself some? I did. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

I want to see the bottle.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

There's lots of stuff from the bottle to look at. This is a good touching bottle. It's got some texture on it. It has a lot of texture on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Like a snakeskin texture. That is the type of bottle you would find next to a river, just like wandering around. Just floating. Or just like the color. Like just I feel like I found lots of bottles, like the medicinal looking, like fancy bottles that you would find just kind of playing around in uh on on like a creek.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Happy

America At 250 Years Old

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Fourth of July, everybody. Yes, that is right. We're we're we're talking fourth. Happy America Day. Happy America. Which is uh 250 years now. 250. It's a round number this year.

SPEAKER_02 1:41

It is. It's the Bicisquiska quatentable.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

Almost the bicentennial. Wait, no, wait, the bicentennial is already passed. That was 200. Sorry, Nick, we keep cutting you off. Gosh, this smells amazing. Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's so good. Dude, I love it. I'm excited. I think we've had this on the podcast. We're doing it again. You got look at that packaging, dude. Look at that red judge. He's judging you.

SPEAKER_01 2:09

So um my grandma just recently passed, but she was gonna be 90, almost 95, right? And it's a long life, it's a long life, but then everywhere, news, wherever you want it, like radio, they're always talking about 250, you know, even on like advertisement for like cars. Like, oh, it's 250th anniversary, gotta get these cars. And I sat there uh Sunday night, I was sitting there thinking, 250 years, like my my grandma was almost 100. We we are a super young country, like very young.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

It's easy to forget how young we are. Yeah, that's that's like a couple generations, like three generations away, if they all live to be that old. It's like three generations, right?

SPEAKER_01 2:48

Like three generations behind me was almost half as old as what America is. Yeah, 250 is not that. It's crazy to think about. Like, I think that America's this really old country, and we were talking about I was editing a podcast, we were talking about the trees, so we have all the wood, right? We're young country, they've been around for thousands of years, we've been around for less than 200 or less than 300 years.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

And I was like, nah, really?

SPEAKER_01 3:13

But then when you compare it to someone's age, like a family member or someone you know, and you're like, Wow, all right, yeah, we're really not that old.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

No, when you look about like how much has changed in 250 years, it's a lot, it's great, and then you look at like the UK and you realize that they've been around for so much longer, like so much longer. That's why they thought it was so funny when we came over here and did everything, you know, and they're like, Okay, like good luck with that.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

But even I mean, if you go to like Boston, you can get a house uh that was built in the 1600s, yeah, easily, yeah. But yeah, it's you know, you can get stuff pre-colonial, you can get in the 1600s and stuff in Boston or Philly or like those kind of areas that were populated before we became a country.

SPEAKER_03 3:59

That's what when I was in Washington, DC last time. I was talking to some politician, I can't remember what what his position was, but it was in like the uh Senate or whatever it is, like like the big room where all the hours are. It was the house. Yeah, that's I think that was what it was the house or something. And uh he was like talking about America and stuff, and he even said like something about uh continuing the great experiment or something or something like that. And he was like, because you know, like it's still just like this is an experiment. He's like, any other country's been around so much longer, you know what I mean? Like, we are so young that it's like still in their eyes, like an experiment. Yeah, he's like, and we're figuring it out still, right? We don't have it all figured out yet.

SPEAKER_02 4:36

I was on the way here, I was listening to a podcast uh with Ken Burns, uh, the documentary guy, and he just did a documentary on the Revolutionary War. It just came out uh earlier this year, and he's super well known for for documentaries and stuff, but he was just talking about that, like how the they were pressing him to try to get him to say, like, what makes America special kind of thing. And he just he didn't, he was like, There, there is no answer to that. It's it's just circumstances, and we were the first one to try this. This we we tried this thing. It's crazy when you think about it that way.

SPEAKER_01 5:09

It is, and it's crazy to think about that, and then you you talk about even okay, you even you've hear because elections and stuff, we have all these elections there, you know, presidential elections, all these house, whatever representatives, and people are like, Oh, yeah, 30 30 years is too long to be there. And when you hear that, I think, oh, that's just a career. And then I sit here and think, 30. We're only 250 years old as a country. 30 years of that you spent in DC in some kind of political realm. That's that's a long time. That's a really long time. Yeah, that's that's a real long time. A lot of decisions are made in 30 years when you're that young. That's insane to think about.

SPEAKER_03 5:50

Well, that's what we're the smells really good. Smells good, yeah. If uh like if you go to Washington, DC, or probably Boston, I haven't been to Boston, but you see the old stuff and you're like, man, it's old, it's cool, it's smaller than I thought it would be, that kind of thing. But it's really not that old, you know what I mean? It's just I just think things have changed so much so drastically. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Yeah, I mean, we have been like civilization and like life, like daily life was essentially the same from the day we invented like modern like agriculture, like some level of agriculture until like 1900. So for like a couple thousand years, life was essentially the same. And then from 1900 to now, so like 150 years, uh like things have exploded. Well, and and like it us there's there are people alive today that saw more transformation than they did in 4,000 years. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Yeah, well, it's crazy to think about those people, like we're we're kind of one of those people without realizing

Life Before Google And Easy Answers

SPEAKER_01 6:57

it. We were all born before Google was made. Yeah, we're like we're very early internet kids. Yeah, dial up the internet was just invented by Al Al Gore.

SPEAKER_03 7:06

Yeah, Al Gore created it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:10

So, like uh yeah, internet was is was very, very new. We we were young enough that we didn't have access all the time to the internet.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

TVs were still big boxes and cell phones weren't that weren't really a thing. I remember car back bag phones, yeah. Bag phones were a thing when they like cell phones came out, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_03 7:29

Yeah, I mean, I mean, I guess there was the big big ones in the you know, probably like early 80s before my time. Because I'm a late 80s kid.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Only the only people that had those were businessmen or people that had a ton of wealth, but that's not even like that wasn't even like a cell phone, it was like a car phone, yeah. You know, it was a briefcase, yeah, yeah, yep, yeah, yeah. So kids these days are like, oh, I don't have the newest cell phone. I'm like, I you know what?

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Well, I talk about that a lot. It's just the idea, and I think I'm sure we've talked about it on the podcast, but it's the idea that like if if I ask you a question, Steve, and you don't know the answer to it, it's like you either conjecture or we'll we'll have to either ask somebody who knows or go to the library and look it up. But now it's you Google it. You you for the first time ever in the world uh for like the history of the world, like you can know anything at any time.

SPEAKER_04 8:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

That's insane, and you know how much harder it was to learn something back then because of that? It's crazy. Like, I you in just you could know anything, anything, anything at all.

SPEAKER_01 8:30

There was some video that some mom or parent did for the kid, like asking them if they knew these things, and one of them was an encyclopedia. And the kid was like, I have no idea what that is. Yeah, I'm not sure. And she was like, Well, encyclopedia, it's like where you look up words, and he goes, Why don't you just call it a dictionary? Then I was like, They're not the same thing, they're not the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

But I feel like it was harder to be smarter back then because like if you ask somebody it took a lot of effort, but oddly, it was harder to be smarter, but it was also harder to be dumber.

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Yeah, then you had to be smarter, yeah. Yeah, so like it used to be like you just there was lots of people that didn't know stuff, and that was okay. Yeah, you just didn't know stuff, and that was just kind of a thing. Now it's less it's less acceptable to not know things, so you can just Google it. Because you can just Google things, so because of that, you'll make up stuff, and then it becomes fact for other people, yeah. It's not, and then that's how that's how we have all the other misinformation. And so there's just a lot of like not fact, facts.

SPEAKER_03 9:29

You imagine just sitting around and just ask, like, well, I wonder how old uh George Washington was when he died. Well, no idea, you know what I mean? You have to look up it in a in a history book. Now you just Google it. You can just Google it, yeah. You just know, you know these things. Pete somebody, uh, he's a comedian.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

Davidson is a whole not Pete Davidson, it's a different one I can think of. But uh he had a whole bit about that, about like how it used to be you would just say, Where Pete Holmes. Pete Holmes, yeah. He had this whole bit of like that doesn't ring a bell at all. Oh, if you if you saw him. But you know, he he I don't think he was super bothered. No, he did like really good comedy. He did like Batman comedy sketches. I forgot about that. Yeah, he did the means, yeah. He did like Batman comedy sketches, bad Batman not picking it up. Uh he did that on SNL a couple times and stuff. He got on that, but he had a whole bit about like wondering where this uh the Heartbreakers, uh Tom Petty is from, and he was just like, You just didn't know, and you would just wander around life not knowing where Tom Petty was from. And then one day you'd be wearing a heartbreaker shirt, and some lady would say, Oh, yeah, there I like them, and you'd ask her, and she'd say, He's from Florida, and that's how you met your wife. You just went around life with not knowing stuff, and that was okay. Not anymore, not anymore. It's not acceptable to not know because you can just Google it. You can just Google it.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Well, it's funny, the things that we are okay not knowing, but then the things we're forced to know. Like you could probably tell me what your your home phone number was growing up, yeah, because we were like forced to learn that an elementary of like your home phone number and your address, you need to know those two things. Yeah, yeah, I recycled all that information.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

I couldn't tell you at gunpoint if what you know where even the address of it, or the street, probably like the I I've washed all that from my mind, it's not there anymore. There's not room for that. But if you need the words to any sort of random song, I probably got that.

SPEAKER_04 11:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

For some reason, my brain stores that away, and I can't get rid of it.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

So

The Bottle Reveal And Tobacco Setup

SPEAKER_02 11:25

I don't know where we are time-wise. I'd like to mention the bottle now.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yes, the number of times that we've done this, in fact, I think it's when you haven't been here and people were listening to it. Like, I really enjoyed that episode because I felt like I was just joining in on the conversation. Just listening in to a just listening in, yeah. And all of a sudden, you're like, Oh, hey, we're doing this. Let's go, we're doing a bottle.

SPEAKER_02 11:45

Yeah, so we haven't mentioned the tobacco. We're doing uh uh dark fired Kentucky, dark strong, dark strong or like or like with the judge, the discerning judge is on it.

SPEAKER_03 11:55

I'm smoking it out of an American Patriot corn cob. That looks and it looks like a good, I like the mushroom, and it's got the the 45 caliber bullet on it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:05

That's very American. I feel like this tobacco is very American smelling, like very like campfire barbecue, Kentucky tobacco, like maybe slightly charcoal, but maybe more gas grilling kind of barbecue, or it's not as much uh there's there's more yeah, it's less English, it's more barbecue. Yeah, it's more barbecue in that sense. More of the sweet barbecue.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

Sweet meats. Yep. Yeah, we're smoking. I'm smoking a lot more than I'm drinking. We need to start drinking.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

I haven't touched the bottle yet because I wanted to uh first. So you did you do

First West Story And Corn Focus

SPEAKER_01 12:36

some digging on this? Okay, so the bottle says First West small batch. Yep. I believe 15 stars is the company that owns it. Correct. Which 15 stars is another unique brand in and of itself. Is that so? Is that before they got all the other 30 some?

SPEAKER_03 12:54

It is actually. Yes. Why did I always think that there were 40 stars?

SPEAKER_02 12:58

I don't know. I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_03 12:59

Is that a material effect?

SPEAKER_02 13:01

Is that like 40 states? I thought there was 40 states. It was at one point, but not anymore. So I'm not wrong about 50 states.

SPEAKER_04 13:07

I mean 50, there's 50, but at some point there was 40.

SPEAKER_03 13:11

Yeah. So it's I'm thinking 50. I was wrong on both accounts. 50 stars.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

So there was never 50 stars? There's currently 50 stars. There's going to be 50 stars. There's 50 right now.

SPEAKER_03 13:20

Yeah. Yeah. But there's more than 50 states. There's not. There's 50 states. There's 50 states.

SPEAKER_02 13:24

That's it. Didn't we adopt another state or two since then? No, not since then. Hawaii and and and Alaska were our final two. Now we have other countries. They're countries. We have Puerto Rico. They're not a state.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

They're not a sovereign state. Yeah. Yeah, there's a few different places that are other countries that you can totally drive here and there because it's the same country. Puerto Rico is one that we could drive here and there. Well, not just that, but like it's like you're American, but not American. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

So that's which is really crazy. Uh American Samoa. I think that's what I'm thinking. Samoa.

SPEAKER_03 13:57

It's like a tiny little island. But it's like it's a it's a country.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

They're all American territories. Do we own the Caymans? We do not own Caymans. Yeah. Yeah. The Caymans probably own up. They basically have a lot of money down there, apparently. Those are all American territories. So they're not a state. They don't have any representation in our government, uh, but we do own them. I wonder how that works. Territories, but not non-states. And so Puerto Rico would like to be a state, and some people would like to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 14:26

They probably fit like eight Puerto Ricos inside Texas, right? Probably more than that. Which that's crazy. Puerto Rico is a country, and Texas is just a state. I know. That's why they were trying to make Texas its own country, which kind of makes sense because it's huge.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

Texas was its own country for a long time at one point. Yeah. Yeah. For just a little bit. Not very long, but a little bit. Just a short, short amount of time. Yeah. Remember the Alamo. Remember the Alamo.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

So we got uh yeah, this first West small batch. That's a red, white, and blue corn bourbon. Yes. I I know they're sourced. Yep. I've been trying to figure out their story. I've been trying to figure out where they are sourced from. And nowhere on the bottle does it really say it's gotta be sourced. The bottle's too cool. But it doesn't say where it comes from.

SPEAKER_02 15:07

So uh it is it is known. So it may not be on the bottle there, but it is known. It's known by Steve. They are they are from Columbus, Indiana, is where the is where the company is, uh, which is weird because I didn't even know there was a piece of source everything from Kentucky.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

It says bottled by 15 stars in Bardstown, Kentucky, but this is out of Indiana, it's out of Indiana.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

So uh it's very much like a shell company kind of location. Well, 15 stars. 15 stars is even owed to Kentucky because the it Kentucky was the 15th state. So going back to these stars on the flags, you really know that on the head there. There you go. It's the 15th star figured added to the flag because it was the 15th state. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 15:47

I just play it being dumb.

SPEAKER_02 15:48

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

I actually know, yeah, I know more things than I have that on.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

So that's a very Kentucky bottle, and they source everything from Bargetown. So they have a custom, a custom agreement with them, so they do the work with Bargetown. Well, when you say the work, how much work are they doing?

SPEAKER_03 16:04

They're not actually distilling their own, are they? I mean, they're just using their facilities. They probably did a hefty amount of contracting, contracting.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Yeah, where you can you use somebody's space, but you're doing it yourself. I've got to believe with the mash bill, they probably have a hefty hand involved in this because this is not a normal mash bill.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

No, it is not. It is it is not normal mash bill. It's not normal for them to have those three different types of corn. I want to know where they get these bottles and how they came up with it.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

So 15 stars, you I don't know if you've seen any of their other bottles. They the bot their other bottles kind of look like the um whiskey row series bottles, but they have 15 stars, literally like bold on the label 15 stars, and they're normally expensive, they're not cheap. That's why I was a little surprised that this one came from 15 stars. Did this also come cheap?

SPEAKER_03 16:52

I don't think it was super we never talked price early on.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

No, we don't.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Maybe we should. What is it? Before we even get into the we haven't even talked about how it tastes yet. I haven't even taken a drink. I don't even know what it tastes like yet. Do it backwards.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

Let's talk about price. While he's looking that up, so they they um they are started out doing lots of sourcing and everything else, which they they still do. This is their first series where it is really them taking a lot of ownership in that sourcing process, so out of barge town. They have three different kinds of releases. They have a platinum collection, which is a more specialty, kind of more your orphan barrels and like stuff like that that they find and do stuff with. Then there's the first watch series, which is a newer launch. This isn't came out in 2025. This is a new bottle. First watch, first west, my bad. First west. Yeah, first west. This is second west. This is first west, first west, first west. Do they have a second west? They do not. It's a small batch married to straight bourbons, five, six, and seven years old. Oh, okay. So a little bit older. Hey yeah, 102 proof from Barnstown, right? We don't know the mash bill, but it is red, white, and blue heirloom corns.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

We don't know the mash bill in this guy.

SPEAKER_03 18:01

No, I'm just thinking it's corn five it's probably around 75%, right? Yeah, it's it's gonna be pretty heavy on it's pretty heavy on the corn. I can I'm picking up a lot of corn.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Well, it's also red, white, and blue corn. That's what I mean. Yeah, too.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

Yeah, they're you're using a lot of corn because you gotta put all these varietals in there, right? And we've talked a lot about different backgrounds for people to start companies. So this these this is a father-son duo, Rick and Ricky. Rick and Ricky, Rick and Ricky Johnson. Where's Morty at? Morty, Morty.

SPEAKER_03 18:30

They started out in the popcorn business. Good for them. I love I love the idea of this popcorn and bourbon and bourbon and popcorn. You know, I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. And so, yeah, they but so because of that, they know corn really well.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

You gotta know your corn. Yeah, they know their corn.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

I was hoping I could find the mash bill, but you're yeah, yeah, they are very yeah, they're not saying that.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, they I think it's somewhere in the tune of 75% corn.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

Yeah, it's it's gonna be pretty heavy on the corn. Is it say it's a bourbon? It does it, yeah. It says it does, okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

It says bourbon, their own proprietary corn bourbon, is what they say. So no mash bill, but I gotta believe proprietary. What makes it proprietary?

SPEAKER_03 19:10

It's a historic blue bottle. You know what I like about it? As

Tasting Notes And Pipe Pairing

SPEAKER_03 19:13

far as something that has that much age on it and everything else, it's got um how do I want to put it? It's offensive in a good way. We haven't said that in a while, but it is. It's got like a like a spirit to it, like a like a young American spirit. Like not young is in the age of it. I mean young, like a wild kind of juvenile kind of kind of West, like like young American like a guy.

SPEAKER_00 19:41

Like pre-late 20s. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

That's what it tastes like. It tastes kind of a little bit more rough and ready, you know, in a good way.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Like you'd probably be outside running around throwing rocks at each other, kind of, yeah. Like you probably grew up playing rock wars where you just threw rocks at each other as a kid, and that's what you did. We did barefoot, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:03

So we don't know the mash bill on this, but what we do know is that this is made of four uh five, six, and seven-year-old barrels. Okay, all of the five-year-old barrels in this are 100% red, white, and blue corn. So this is very heavy on the corn. Heavy on the corn. We don't know how much how much rye and barley or whatever else may be in the five, the six and seven-year-old barrels. Well, it's not, it's heavy, but it's not all corn. It's not all corn.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

I can tell you that. There's a sp there's like a a hint of like a lingering spice in the background. I tell you, I picked a good tobacco for this. As far as taste-wise, it's pairing like really well. Oh, for taste, like this is pretty light for taste.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

Yeah, which when it's so it's bold Kentucky, right? Works well. Yeah, it's making it pop a little bit. Yeah, you get what I'm saying? It's a little raw, it's kind of raw. Yeah, the with the whiskey itself, unpolished, not in a bad way, not young, but unpolished.

SPEAKER_02 20:57

At the front, in the middle, like while it's in your mouth, it's very friendly. Um, and then when you swallow, that's where you get a little bit of heat. It's that like a little bit of a little bit of like uh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

I'm not I'm not uh a politician. Yeah, it's rough around the edges, rough and ready.

SPEAKER_01 21:13

It's outlined. Maybe I wouldn't say it's very rough around the edges, but it is it is outlined, it is defined. We've had a few that are rough around the edges, like they're they're a little I wouldn't say it's rough around the edges, rough and ready.

SPEAKER_03 21:24

Yeah, it's a little it's it's just a little bit outlined is good. I like that. Yeah, it's like callused hands, you know? Like that's what it is. It's like just a little bit of roughness, but in a good way. Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 21:34

It's I would at the very first sip, I almost wanted to say it was thin, but I kind of changed my mind. I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_01 21:41

It's just at the front, it's very thin, but I feel like that thinness is welcoming.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

I think it's very welcoming thin. I think it's the corn that's making you think that it's it's sweet and friendly, and we've had our fair share of red, white, and blue corn bourbon. Yeah, we actually have had a lot more than probably most of gone after it a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

What uh I feel like this is very different from the others that we've had. In the sense that this is um this bottle in particular uh plays to the natural corn flavor strength. It's a very natural tasting bird, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

It it it uh it's very complete. Like it's seeing it's it's it's blended well. The flavors are going together really well. Yeah, I really it's not lacking. No, it's not lacking at all.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

But I I would be interested because we've again we've had our fair share of different types of even red corn. I would not say that this is bloody butchered corn use for the red corn.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

No, no, I'm not sure what it is. I what's interesting is I could tell you like what would make this worse. I don't know if I could tell you what would make this better. I just think that it's not saying it's the best in the world, but I think it's good at what it is. It's fine at what it is. I don't think it can be improved upon. It's fine the way it is. Yeah, I enjoy it. I think it's good. I do too.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

I I like this surprisingly a lot. Like I really enjoy this bottle. And I don't know if it is because the tobacco is pairing so well with it, and it is adding maybe a little bit of a harshness to it, which it maybe might be lacking.

SPEAKER_03 23:16

A little harshness and a little meatiness.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Yeah, see, that's what I would say is missing is that meatiness. Like a little bit hardy, not earthy, but a little hardy.

SPEAKER_03 23:24

Oh, this well, yeah, we're getting the hardy from this because it's almost like beef jerky a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's a good pairing. So, what's with the fancy bottle? We talked about the bottle, but just other than the fact that it's just that's just what they it's how they on the bottom on the back. So it's see see-through blue glass, and then there's it said something about uh historic blue bottle. This historic blue bottle is inspired by early Kentucky artisans, the first bottles for whiskey ever produced in Kentucky. Okay, so it's a throwback to the way bottles used to look. I guess they used to use that blue, but they used the blue bottles and for coke, yeah. So I think it was just blue glass is what they used in general for glass back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 24:01

They've got three different offerings, and I believe for each one they do a different colored glass, but they're I think they're different proofs, or yeah, different proofs that they do. Maybe age and proofs.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

I would assume age, only because they talk a lot on there about like the flavor proof, right? Like this is the right proof for this bottle, and maybe so maybe they do change it because of that, that it is flavor-proofed.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

Five, six, and seven. You're right. For an Indiana can uh company, they are really talking about Kentucky. Yeah, they they are very much marketing themselves as a Kentucky company, celebrates the enduring sense of adventure and discovery in Kentucky, America's first West. Celebrating Kentucky and America's but that's kind of what I said this reminded me of a little bit, like adventure discovery, kind of like that raw kind of early American spirit kind of a thing. Yeah, yeah, I think they encapsulated that pretty well. I love how like it's even got like the bubbles in the glass a little bit. Yeah, it's a really cool bottle. I like it a lot.

Price Point And Marketing Realities

SPEAKER_03 25:00

Look, I I want all my glasses to look like that. Did we get an answer on price? I'm still waiting.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

No, I've not. So they do a small batch, toasted, oak, and extra aged. Okay. Are the two and they're my bad, they are all blue. The labels are red, white, and blue. Okay. But for this guy, uh about 60 60 bucks is MSRP. I'm probably gonna pay six. That is not bad at all.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

I'm kind of surprised for a source bottle with that caliber, like uh fancy of a bottle.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

That that that bottle gives off gimmick, especially when it's sourced.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

You're thinking this is gonna be 80 plus.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah, so I am 40 years, I'm very happy with a $60 bottle.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

Boasting 6-7 and 8-year-old or $5, 6, 7, whatever it was. Yeah, that's great price. That's great price, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:46

From Bargetown? Like, yeah, out of Bargetown.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

Yeah, I was very hesitant on getting this, uh, because this is a brand that is spent a lot on marketing and a lot on advertising. Well, you know, for this bottle specifically.

SPEAKER_03 26:01

I was gonna say that's funny, is we hear that, but like, when's the last time you saw an advertisement for like a company like that? Yeah, I see it all the time on Facebook. Yes, yeah, but how much money are they spending on advertising these days? Yeah, that's the thing. I've Facebook advertising is pretty dang cheap. But they always have huge budgets, and they say, We spent you know all this money on advertising. Like, for what you don't have billboards, you know, you don't have TV commercials.

SPEAKER_02 26:23

You know what you know is coming out of that is like for Water Show and I go do tastings for them and I buy a bottle, kind of, yeah, that's marketing word of mouth. Yeah, that's and that that bottle that I that I buy to sample out or whatever, that's marketing. That's where it's going.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Yeah, because they can't do it on TV, they have to do it in person.

SPEAKER_02 26:39

Yep, yeah, it's better. TV is just, I mean, the only thing on there is wild turkey or or you know, beam, you know, those guys, they're the only ones on there, like you know, and they're only on there because they have celebrity endorsements.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

Anymore, do you have to be watching like an adult program for that even like a rated, like a rated uh inframature or something like that, like on streaming? Because you know, when they kicked like the cigarette and tobacco commercials out, I mean, alcohol wasn't far behind. When did they kick those out? I mean a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

I feel like I remember what like seeing those like the 90s or early 2000s, maybe. Remember the Marvel Man? Yeah, the Marvel Man. There were commercials. There's commercials about we do have lots of Budweiser commercials still.

SPEAKER_03 27:16

So we do have beer commercials, beer commercials.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

There's lots of beer commercials.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

That's a good point, but not unique. And you're right, you do see uh Mila Kunas or whatever for the and also Matthew McConaughey. Matthew McConaughey does his wild turkey. Wild turkey, yep. Uh alright, all right.

SPEAKER_02 27:34

And Harrison Ford is on now. So for some uh Glenn Brain Brain.

SPEAKER_01 27:40

Yeah, he did his own scotch. He actually did it. I really want to get a bottle of it, by the way. He he partnered with them and has his own lineup with him. We'll do it. We'll do it on the I have to find it first.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

We'll get it.

Celebrity Whiskey And Harrison Ford Bond

SPEAKER_02 27:50

We we're planning on starting this uh a celebrity series. So if we can maybe get one of those up, I need to find you listening. If you want to send us a bottle, you want to just go ahead and send us a bottle. Go ahead and send us that. Go ahead, that'd be great.

SPEAKER_01 28:01

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he when he became like the celebrity endorser, like he was like, I want to try it first. Like, I'm not gonna endorse something that I haven't really tried. And if I don't like it, I don't want to be a part of this. And so as I read the article, like they sent him a bunch of stuff, and he tried a bunch. He's like, I really like this one here. Like, what do you what are you guys doing with this? And they're like, Oh, nothing, it was just a special sample we sent you. And so apparently he worked out a deal with them then to have it hit like his stuff, his special release, which I could definitely see Harrison Ford doing that.

SPEAKER_02 28:31

Oh, yeah, he's got he's the right kind of guy for uh for a liquor brand. I'm surprised he hasn't done it before now.

SPEAKER_03 28:37

I am too, you know, and this is actually gonna come out super controversial. But Harrison Ford when he was younger, Bond, yes or no? I think he could have done it. Oh, I think he could have done it. I think he could have pulled it off when he was younger. Yes, yeah, in a cinema. I think he could have done it.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

Oh, yeah. Yeah, if you go early Harrison Ford, early Harrison Ford could have done it. I mean, a little gray. I don't know if he's not too I don't know if he's dapper enough. I don't know if he I don't know if he could be that like I feel like he would be the cynical Bond.

SPEAKER_03 29:05

I for sure, yeah. He would be, but he's just a little rougher on the edges. He's not much less dapper than Roger Moore was, right? I don't know if I've seen a Roger Moore delicious. I've not seen a Roger Moore. I've not seen it. Sean Cumber was one, right? You really ought to. I treat yourself. You I mean, once you get into it, I went through a whole phase where I'm like, I don't know if I've seen them all. So what I did was I watched them all in order.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

In order, yeah. All of them.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Yeah, like I just took weeks, but I did it. And it was great. And you really kind of get an opinion for like who's good and who's not. I watched all of them, even the like non-bond Bond films. Yeah, which ones are the non-bond Bond films?

SPEAKER_02 29:41

There's a few out there, like Thunderball. There's early, there's somebody who played somebody plays uh Bond early on, or whatever it was. No, that's the wrong guy, and nobody liked it.

SPEAKER_03 29:52

There's a few that came out that people were like, and it was like in the 70s and 80s, or maybe the 80s. Okay, they're like, This isn't it. Like Thunderball was one of them. There's a few of them that are like Bond films, but they're like, Are you sure this is a Bond film when you watch it? You gotta watch those two because they are pretty good, and they get a little science fiction-y a little bit, but oh that's but well, not too much, like it's still realistic, but it's like really on the bounds of like this isn't possible, kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

Because like I think I honestly think that the only I've only seen the last the last two uh uh bonds. Who was who was James Bond?

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Pierce Bronson and uh oh you're talking about Daniel Craig.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Daniel Craig. I think I've only seen Daniel Craig. Well, you've seen Jay, uh you've seen Sean Connery stuff, right? Uh like I've seen clips of it. I don't think I've ever watched the movie. Steve because was it Bronson and then Craig? It was Bronson and then Bronson and then Craig, right? Yeah, but uh, didn't Craig come, didn't he, wasn't he it and then left and then came back? Or no, I'm sorry, not Daniel Craig. Connery. Didn't Sean yeah, Sean Connery.

SPEAKER_03 30:53

He actually was able to come back and and still he did a few, he was older, but he still did a great job. Yeah. There's a few Bond films that, like I said, that aren't quite as associated, and there's a few British people that play them, and they're kind of random one-offs. There's also one that's kind of like really out there, psychedelic, like 70s kind of out there, and I didn't really like care for that one. But I mean it's still technically a Bond film, yeah. But anyway, I do think that he could have when he at the right time of his age, I wouldn't like right when he was turning gray, probably, you know, post-Star Wars and all that stuff. When he was turning gray, he could have pulled it off. And he did do a movie called Sabrina. Have you seen that? I've seen Sabrina, and he's dapper in that because he's a really wealthy guy and he's dapper in that. I think he could have done it. That's true, maybe. We'll never know. We'll never got Harrison as Bond, but I think he would have been great. One or two movies would have been shaken, not stirred with that heavy breathing. That would have been something to watch.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

One of my like TV movies, you know, when you're you're you're watching like cable or something, and there's a movie on TV, and you're like, Oh yeah, I'll watch this for sure. You'll never like put in the movie, but you'll watch it that way every time. Air Force One Force One with Harrison Ford. No, I've never seen that. No, oh, it's a great movie. It's really, really funny. I've never seen that. Uh in terms of like a TV movie like that. I was gonna say, yeah, I don't want to own it, but it's really, really good.

SPEAKER_03 32:11

This isn't breaking any cinematography records or anything, but it's a great movie. Is it as good as a fugitive?

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Uh, I think so. Yeah, that movie's right. Yeah, a fugitive is really good. Harrison Ford is a good person for uh for a look her brand. I think that's a good. I'm a little surprised by Scotch, to be honest. I was too. I was kind of thrown off for the Scotch, but but maybe it was dappier than we thought. Yeah, the whiskey makes sense too. Yeah, but yeah, Scotch is fine, yeah. So yeah, I really like the bottle. I like the like the company. Do you think so?

SPEAKER_01 32:41

We're doing this fourth of July, yeah.

The Right Drink For Fourth Of July

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Right? So 4th of July has a lot going behind it, right? Our country, why red, white, and blue, got that 250. Right, 250. But 4th of July is also that time of year, like one of the only times out of the year that you are like out in the sun beating down on you by a fire as you're grilling something, right? Or maybe you're out in some water. Is this a bottle for that?

SPEAKER_03 33:06

No, no, it's for after. No, for after. Is this for nighttime? For when the campfire you start the campfire, and kids might be going off to bed and the fireworks. Oh, I guess they're not going off to bed, I guess fireworks are still going on. But this is for when it gets cool out. It's still not gonna be super cold, but I mean it's when the sun goes down.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yeah, when the sun goes down.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

What fits the day?

SPEAKER_03 33:25

Beer. Is there okay?

unknown 33:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:27

Well, for those that are uh can't drink beer.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

You don't want to overdo it on the 4th of July. Yeah, you start a little too soon, you're gonna be not making it to the fireworks.

SPEAKER_02 33:37

What I'm drinking uh when I'm at the 4th of July parade is is uh peach buntinis, but but uh bolenies, yeah. Those things that's what I'm drinking at the parade during 4th of July. Okay, peach bolen.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Are you making them yourself? Are you getting a candle?

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Greg that used to be a member of the club, yeah. Him and his wife make those, and and they we usually do 4th of July with them.

SPEAKER_03 34:00

I was gonna say just straight lemonade and vodka is all like well. I mean, you could make it fancier or gin or whatever. The cocktail scenery is where you want to go. Clear liquor cocktails, the peach ring cocktail that we had that one time. It was like sugary peach rings, but it was a drink. Uh there was all sorts of stuff out there.

SPEAKER_02 34:17

Yeah, I can't I really can't get behind drinking whiskey in the daytime during the summer. Okay, like there's very few, like maybe a like a Jack and Coke or something, but again, it's a cocktail. Like a cocktail. It's not a straight. Yeah, I'm not gonna be drinking a straight glass of whiskey during the day and like it like outside hanging out in the summertime. Do I've done it?

SPEAKER_03 34:38

It's weird, it's weird, but I don't expect other people to do it.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

But I mean like I'm not saying I'm gonna turn down your glass, but like, but like that's not what I'm gonna go for right away. I'm gonna have a cocktail or like a beer or a seltzer of some sort, you know.

SPEAKER_03 34:54

Yeah, especially you want it to be cool and refreshing, yeah. Maybe sweet, maybe you know, peach and peach tea cocktail, things like that, lemonade type deals or straight beer seltzers, I guess if you're into that kind of a thing. But uh yeah, I don't know. I don't this is definitely not something that you want at 12 o'clock on on the 4th of January. Which I find absolutely fascinating because I would I I like that.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

Yeah, like I but I'm it's also one of those that this is sweet. I'm not a sweet guy. Well, I like it. So this would be great for me.

SPEAKER_03 35:25

Like sweet other people don't like that. There we go. That's a better way of saying that. I'm not like everybody should, you know what I mean? That's normal. You know, I I know it's not normal, so I'm not gonna be like, but it should become I would just do it, I do it and not ever talk about it. I probably wouldn't admit to doing it, but I would just do it kind of a thing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Like I said, I I will, uh, but I'm not gonna like that's not gonna be my option. If I'm sitting at home by myself and I just need something to drink, I'm not gonna grab a whiskey, probably.

SPEAKER_03 35:49

Yeah, I mean, it's like nobody's eaten meatloaf after mowing the grass. That's just kind of weird. Like it's really hot out, you're sweating, you mowed the grass, your wife brings out a big plate of meatloaf. Are you gonna sit there and just eat it? That doesn't seem like the right meal. No, you know, yeah. It's the wrong meal, and that's kind of like what it is drinking a for drinking straight a bourbon, you know, in the smoke pipes.

SPEAKER_04 36:12

Well, that's different. I mean, smoking.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

So how is that different? Because it's also hot, right? No, it's not hot.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

Is it it's I feel like smoking pipes and cigars is like a hot, like a honestly. I'm more I'm more apt to smoke a cigar.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

Yeah, I was gonna say go smoke a pipe, but that's also just for being outside. Yeah, that's a little easier to tend to a pipe. Like you're you're busy grilling, you got your hands too busy.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

So, because I'm more like yeah, I mean, really, a cigar is really where it's at for that. Yeah, unless you just want to do some chew at that point. It is the fourth of July. Yeah. Go full American. Yeah, full America. Give me that red man. Oh, wait now, it's America's best.

SPEAKER_02 36:51

That's that is what like pipes are for me a contemplative thing. Yeah, I don't want to. I'm not gonna have a pipe when I'm doing stuff very often. There are some exceptions to that. I'll I'll smoke a pipe while I'm mowing the grass or whatever, you know, that something like but it's also a very simple simple tobacco and yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 37:10

That's when you're pulling it. There's a time and a place for cigars, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

But and more cigars, probably.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

It's like there's a time and a place for vodka. There is nothing wrong with vodka, uh, cocktails or just on its own, or whatever it is, you know. But I never admit to drinking it on its own.

SPEAKER_02 37:26

I do like it cold. So, I mean, for me, like beer is I I usually don't like a beer, but there is something refreshing about a beer. It's like I'm not gonna go out and and and down a six-pack of beer. I'm just not a beer guy. But after I do yard work, I want a beer. It's the best, it's like it's the best nourishing. It's very refreshing, and it's just what I'm cold.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

Uh, there's nothing better. And like working outside all day. I used to work out all day. Remember that one time I bought a like it was like a 30-pack.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Oh, we bought a suitcase and it was also the 1792 day. Oh, that was the 1792 week or day, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 38:02

Um when it's cold, when it's hot out, you're sweating, and you couldn't drink through that. Not, I mean, we weren't hammered or nothing. We weren't, you know.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

I think you're sweating it out.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

You sweat it out, it was all day. It was probably from like seven in the morning till like I don't think after midnight.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

I don't think we really opened the 1792 until like five, maybe six o'clock. It was a foolproof. It was the full proof. And we drink the whole thing, but that was after we went through the 30 pack.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

We went through 30 beers and a whole bottle of 1790 uh two four.

SPEAKER_02 38:28

Which we do not recommend. We don't know.

SPEAKER_01 38:29

In fact, we woke up the next morning. We were up before Bob, and we were sitting on the couch, and Bob like walked outside of the room. He iterated us. He yeah, he like walked out of his room, his bedroom was right by the living room, so he walked out. The first thing saw was us, and he goes, You two are alive? We were making breakfast, we were like ready to go. We were all ready. I think we went out and got strange. I felt better that the next day than I normally do. We that's when we had that peach pecan whiskey, too. Yeah, that was then we started drinking that.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

Yeah, we had to go find something else.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

It was a long weekend. Yeah, it was a long weekend. It was a long weekend. Oh man, my fist's full of bourbon.

SPEAKER_03 39:03

At any rate, I I don't think that this is for that. I think this is for like when this when the sun goes down and it's dark and they're playing that song, Oh beautiful. You know, with uh what is that, Cochrane? The Cochrane version, you know what I mean? Like if you're watching uh if you're watching uh Sandlot, remember the part where they're and it's 4th of July before they go and throw up the tobacco, but they're playing that song and they're playing baseball and the fireworks are going off. That's the time you bust this out. The sun's gone down, it's cooling down, fireworks are going, kids are running around playing, doing the spring sparkler, sparkler things. That's when you bust this out. That's what this bottle reminds me of. Definitely summertime. This is more of a summertime bottle, it's not a winter bottle. You're eating brats and potato salad and drinking this heavy corn.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

This is a sweeter bourbon. It's not very harsh. It's it's pretty, it's pretty fresh.

SPEAKER_03 40:00

It's kind of American flavored, you know. Like we like stuff sweeter. It's sweeter, it's friendlier, but it's a little harsh. You know, it's it's got a kind of American vibe going.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

Yeah. As kind of cheesy as this sounds, for all the blue corn, red corn, white corn stuff that we've had, and even red, white, and blue corn bourbons that we've had. This might be like the most American red, white, and blue corn bourbon that we've ever had. Like it screams America. It screams like 4th of July for me. It screams that time of year. Flavor-wise, it screams that. The other ones are more like fall, like they're more hearty, they're they're more like they have a lot more depth and flavor going on with it. Where I'm like, this doesn't really fit America. Like, this is Jep Jephthah did one, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:46

And then that one is a flavor freaking bomb. Yeah, like so good, but not the not like this. Not for this. No, right. Uh, and then Journeyman does one as well. Again, that one's a bit more journeyman-esque. If you've had Journeyman, you know, like that's a little bit more like again, it's kind of a slap to the face in a good way. This isn't that. This is America young. Like, like we still have some growing up to do, but it's not like but but it but also it's not lacking in any way, right? It's just what it is, it's fine at what it is, but it is what it is.

SPEAKER_02 41:15

Yeah, yeah, it's not the flavor bomb that we generally have with red, white, and blues. Right. Um, although I don't think this is lacking in flavor. I think it's pretty good on flavor, but it's not punching yet.

SPEAKER_03 41:24

I don't think it would be good if it had more flavor. Like again, I don't think I could make this better. I could make it worse. I don't think I can make it better. Yeah, and the proof point, it's a little on the lower side, at least for us.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

It's 105. 102. Where were they landed on that number? Is that a significant number? It's the flavor. Yeah, that's what they said. So it's they say this is the proof that it tastes the best.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

It says we set proof where the flavor is best. It's our pledge. Okay, and they also say uh their blending experience means we blend to ensure outstanding flavor and depth. Those are the two promises that they give.

SPEAKER_03 42:02

Well, I like it, and it's going super well with the pipe. It is. Tobacco is just nailed it. It really is.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

Yeah, you need to

Nicknames, Richard To Dick, Listener Texts

SPEAKER_02 42:10

go with that. There's also the second uh Rick and Ricky pair that I've seen that I've had in my life. Rick and Ricky, huh? Yeah. So I my my old scoutmaster growing up was Rick, and his son was Ricky, and his dad was Richard. So they had there was he was Ricky was the third. Uh, and he has a son that he also named Richard, but I don't know what they call him. I think they maybe call him Rich. Dick, but I'm not sure. Could be. But it's it's Richard and then and then Rick and then Ricky, and then Ricky has a son that's also I was really hoping that they would like end it with like David, George David, Tom, Rich, Richard, Richard.

SPEAKER_03 42:54

You know what? You forget that Richard is rich, and and there's people that go by Rich and Richie, and but that those are Richards. If you get two two different dick, you can either be dick or rich, or Richie.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Explain, explain the dick out of Richard.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

How how do you get dick out of Richard? I actually I looked this up once and I don't remember what it is. There's a reason. It I think it has to do with like I think it has to do with rich uh language, like the the the spelling of it like in German or something like that that that changes the pronunciation of them, but I don't know that for sure.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Well, think about this way how do you get Tom from Thomas? Well, because it starts with T-O-M. T H O M. Sometimes, yeah. I mean, I've never seen Tomas, T-O-M-A-S. I've all I've only ever seen T-H-O-M, or even Tommy is T-H-O-M-Y. But people say Tom short for Tommy or Thomas. That's another one. Tom, Tomas, Tomas. Tomas. Oh, yeah. I guess think about that one.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

There, I mean, I've seen I've had coworkers where their name is Cynthia and their name is Cindy. That doesn't make sense to me.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

So Joe, J O E, but my name, my middle name is Joseph, J O S E P H. But Joe is J-O-E. Or Joey, J O E Y.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

So again, you're kind of that's the spelling thing's change.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

Terry, I have a sister named Terry, T-E-R-R-Y-I, or could go Y. Hers is I, but her full name is Teresa. But say those make sense to me. So Dick and Richard, it must have a thing.

SPEAKER_02 44:25

And spelling doesn't matter. It has to be like a pronunciation thing. Because I I know what you're saying, but like Thomas and Tom, that's not a stretch. Like you can yeah, it's still in there, but but the spelling doesn't matter. But the spelling doesn't work. So like Steven a lot of times is spelled with a pH. PH. Uh so mine isn't. Mine's a V. Uh my parents understood phonics. But Steve is still shorthand for Steven with a pH. Right. Even though that doesn't like spelling-wise, doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03 44:54

That one actually makes with the spelling Pete and Peter. But yeah, I don't know. Dick and Richard, there's a thing. We could Google it. We could we could Google it because it's 2026. Live in the unknown.

SPEAKER_02 45:04

Let's let somebody who knows comment on the on the thing and tell them. There's a there's a button in our show notes that says text us. So if you want to text us, also uh I don't know if this is gonna be live yet, but there could be a button to leave us a voicemail. So you could also send us a voicemail explaining this if this is too much to type. That'd be cool. We could even play it on the thing. We could we could play it on the thing, and so we we do have that capability. There, the technology is there, we have the technology, we have the technology to play it on the thing.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

We've made it bigger, we made it faster.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

So uh yeah, we will start doing some we will start advertising the fact that we have voicemails and stuff like that once I make sure it's actually there because that's a new feature. But uh the texting has been there for a while. So if you want to text us and tell us why Dick. And we have gotten text before. Dick and Richard.

SPEAKER_03 45:52

Yeah, how those two correlates. And I bet there's more examples of this, Dick and Richard with other names. I just can't think of them currently. I think there is.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

I think there's other names. For some reason, I've always thought Richard and Dick are just the weirdest thing, like they don't collide. How how do those work?

SPEAKER_02 46:11

Yeah, they don't they don't fit with each other.

SPEAKER_01 46:13

Very well, same with like someone being named Cynthia and going by Cindy. That that doesn't make any sense to me. That makes that makes a little bit more sense. It makes zero sense to me. Cynthia, Cindy, there's there's no I mean you just add a Y, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Or just or a DY in this case, you can't be Cindy, that'd be that'd be uh you'd be made fun of at church, so you gotta be Cindy.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

There's also other ones that uh people like uh Bevi or something, uh there's like different names that like pet names that they use, but the the full name is long, like a long and different name, and I can't think of the examples, but I'm thinking of older ladies go by a certain kind of like Bevi or something like that, but it's it's like that one's for Beverly, so that one makes sense. But like I I can't think of what they are, but there's other ones that they go by a short name, and it has nothing to do with like the full long name, but yeah, and sometimes they add different things.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

So, like my name's Steve. My grandma used to call me Steve her, Stever. And that and that was a weird one. She was a did you ever go by Stevie? People have called me Steve. I've never gone by Steve. Did you ever go by Steve O? I I have gone by Steve O. Or at least people call me Steve-O. That's a pretty common one.

SPEAKER_03 47:24

Like, say how I'm Steve O.

SPEAKER_02 47:25

Yeah, I've never, yeah, I've never introduced myself as Steve-O.

SPEAKER_03 47:29

I've never introduced myself as Christopher. Yeah, that's my name, it's my actual name. But no, I was never done by Steve. People could. I just it's just too pretentious. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:38

Even as a kid, I knew like that's a bit much to I have thought though, it's some I what I should have done at some point, I just never did, is go by Charlie. Charlie. Because my middle name is Charles. Uh Charlie's good names. It felt like you could have been a Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

You could have been a Charlie.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

I feel like if I would have played that right, I could have been a Charlie.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

Everybody at home calls me Joe or Joey, or yeah. But and even to the point where when I first brought Laura home, she was like, Who's this guy, Joe? And I'm like, That's me, you know. But that's what they all call me because that's what I did growing up, or CJ a little bit. I never went by those. I always said Chris, but yeah, but I respond to them, you know. But yeah, even the other day, uh when my mom called Henry was like, Who's Joe? Like, it's me, dude.

SPEAKER_01 48:22

See, I could see Charlie a uh Charlie's a good Charlie's a pipe smoker. Steve's a cigar smoker. Yeah, no, Steve could go either way. Char Charlie's a bourbon drinker during the summer.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

Steven is a you could actually go by Chuck. I could be going at Chuck. You could be a Chuck. I could be a Chuck. There's nothing wrong with it. I like Chucks. I've never met a weak Chuck. Uh they're always kind of strong guys.

SPEAKER_02 48:45

I don't know how this happened, but when I was I I did I did cross country very poorly when I was in high school uh or middle school or so. I was never a good cross-country person, but I did do it for a couple years. Uh, and for some reason I became Gus. Gus. And I have no idea how or why. And so, but just the people on cross country called me Gus. Kind of a cool nickname. So I put that was it was on the back of my sweatshirt and everything else for it. It was Gus.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:08

No idea how it happened. But my grandpa went by Gus, uh, because his name was Sylvan Augustus.

SPEAKER_03 49:14

Augustus.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

Uh Sylvan Augustus Hyman the second junior, uh, which was a super sweet name. And I really like I really wish that name would have continued, but my grandma would not allow it. She didn't like it, right? No, she was like, none of our children being named Sylvan. Sylvan's a great Sylvan, Sylvan Augustus. Some people call him Sylvie. Sylvie, Chris. Sylvie was a pr was it was a kind of a nickname for that, but Gus uh for Augustus is what he was called in the military and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Gus, that's a cool name.

SPEAKER_02 49:42

But then and the name never continued.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

I had Hubie written on a lot of my stuff.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

That's what I went by quite a bit. So there's too many in my town for that, and there was a lot more, much betterly, better athleticism than myself that took over the hymen name for the town. We were just gus. That was just gus. And it it lived and died with cross country after after I was done with that. It never came back. It never, never, never.

SPEAKER_03 50:06

I wonder if there's people sitting around being like, I wonder what happened to that Gus. Yeah, exactly. I wonder what he's up to these days. That guy Gus, he was all hard.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

I won't even listen to this, but Gus is there. It's Gus. Gus.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

This is a very small time. There's like five people that called me back.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Gus is still alive.

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Uh no.

America’s First West And Growing Pains

SPEAKER_02 50:30

And then uh I I I also really appreciate the name of this bottle being First West. Why? I I'm very curious about this. It's because this is the first west. Um Kentucky, Ohio, this is the furthest Western they went before they really went out where the military war happened because of the Appalachian Mountains and people wanting to buy Ohio. That is why the revolution happened. Was because Britain was that's really what it uh was is that Washington surveyed a bunch of Kentucky in Ohio, was the richest man in the in the colonies, and Britain wanted it.

SPEAKER_03 51:03

And they didn't know how big America was, and we started telling them, they were like, ooh, ooh, ooh.

SPEAKER_02 51:08

And so, like that is like this really comes down to the Ohio Valley. Like, we're really the reason for this whole country.

SPEAKER_03 51:16

Young man, like they wanted this, they needed people to find it, they needed people to like be like, How big is America? That could be massive. They didn't know back then, like could just should have could have kept going for all they knew. You know, it could have been 8,000 times bigger than Britain, right? For all they knew, you know. So you imagine living in a time where you just didn't know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

You just remember that time. Yeah, yeah. And I have no idea what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 51:40

Well, like, like at a land mass, and you like, I have no idea. Like, like this is coming off the heels of like the world's flat, you know. Like, I mean, we're a few hundred years away from that, but you're right.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

But I mean, they didn't know for sure like you know how far away it was. We didn't know if we went over this mountain, would we actually go somewhere? That'd be the end of everything.

SPEAKER_03 52:01

I mean, Columbus kind of he figured out it was round by coming to America, right? Basically, we already knew that. We already knew it.

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Was it Columbus? That's like a was it Galileo? It was Galileo, wasn't Columbus. That was a fault. That was a that's like a weird story that we told ourselves at some point that it was Columbus discovered we were the world was not flat. He confirmed it. That was well known before that.

SPEAKER_03 52:19

I think there was in history books too, which is pretty messed up. So well, he maybe he just Galileo.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

It was Galileo, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:26

It was much earlier than that. Again, I may have may have already known that. I just I like to say these things, but I like to see people's looks. It was Columbus in 1492. Corpus sailed the ocean blue, yep. In Santa, in the Santa Pinta, and the what was the other one?

SPEAKER_02 52:42

This that's the Santa Maria or whatever Santa Maria, the the minta the pinta, the pinta, the puta, the Santa Marina.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

That's what it was. And he found out the earth was that's when they found it, and he said, This is an India, yeah, but I'm still calling you Indians. What were they called before that? Uh they were Navajo. Whatever their tribe was, whatever, yeah, whatever their language was. To them, we had the weird language and looked weird. So they called themselves Navajo cherry. If they were whatever it was. Actually, what's cool is if you look at some of those, human is the word. Like they called each other humans, you know what I mean? Like that's their words. They didn't have a like they didn't call themselves anything because they were the thing. They were the as far as they knew, the only people in the world. So when we came, they were like different people, yeah, demons or whatever, you know, or whatever, but they called each other humans, you know.

SPEAKER_01 53:32

Yeah. Well, if you think about it, everyone has their name based off their country. So if there's no other country they know of, it's just you're you're you're that person, you're a creation of God.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Yeah, you're not a European, like you're you're their their country was not land-based, it was tribal-based. So their country was the Cherokee or the Navajo or whatever it may be.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

And they didn't venture that far, like they're all those tribes separated because they didn't travel that much land.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 53:59

So like the Aztecs didn't know that there were like Cherokees, you know what I mean? They were they were Aztecs down in granted, that's another country, but before South and America were uh separated, they were they were the the whole area, you know what I mean? Those are artificial lines we put there. We put those lines there, yeah. So so so it the Indians down in South America are you know no different than the Indians in the North America, except for land made them different, like the the air, the area, the climate, the climate, yeah, the climate, what they ate, how they did life, all that stuff. Yeah, so interesting to think about, yeah. And that we've two in 250 years, we went from Indians, like or natives, or however you want to say it, yeah, to us sitting in my basement in Ohio.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Which is which is kind of funny to think of because we're Americans now, but like would we have still been Europeans?

SPEAKER_02 54:48

Yeah, we were we were we were we were uh uh people of the crown, right? Like what would you call it? Like Europeans? Would you like to be able to do it?

SPEAKER_03 54:56

Well, what do you call Canadians? They're they're subject to the they're Canadians, they're Canadians, but they're subject to the UK and everything else, like same same thing with uh parts of Africa, yeah. Still subject to Americas, like they did call it that.

SPEAKER_02 55:09

There was the Americas, the Americas, so yeah, the Americas is where we were, but nobody called themselves American, right? Uh until until after the Civil War, like until the at the beginning, uh like after the revolution, we would have been Ohioans, yeah, or Virginians, yeah. Virginians, Kentuckians, yeah, or whatever it may have been. It wasn't until after the Civil War that we became Americans, and in terms of like normal nomenclature, we wouldn't have called ourselves Americans.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

We didn't have all the patriotism that we we were just fighting for our freedoms and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

Everyone was very much your state was your country, yeah, and it was set up a little bit more that way, too. It was, yeah. When we were Confederate states of America before not the Civil War sense, the before that, but that's what that was. Like you you were a member of the of Ohio and you collected taxes for Ohio and you did things for Ohio, and if Kentucky needed something, they had to be borrowed from can from Ohio, and like we had to give that permission and do that now. If you were in America, separate a little bit more like Europe does.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

Yeah, if you were in America, like say you were even born born in America and all that stuff, but before we like separated, seceded or whatever, not a seceded, but separated from Britain, you would be a loyalist, is what they called you. If you were like more towards the crown, more of a like I'm a really good citizen, and everything goes to the king, and I am, you know, you were the loyalist. Now, and then if you were the other way, then you know you were a rebel, you were a rebel, or you were uh separatist. There's another Sons of Liberty that did a lot of it, but they uh revolutionary. You were a revolutionist, that's what it was. Revolutionist, yeah, and you were trying to revolt. That's what people don't realize. Like revolutionary, like we revolted in the same way France did. Yes, you know what I mean. And France France followed a lot of our French Revolution is nuts if you ever like uh look into it. But it's it's a re revolted, right? Be like anarchy in the streets is what we went through.

SPEAKER_02 57:11

True anarchy, true anarchy. I'm I'm I'm reading that outlander series. I've mentioned a few times that I've read it, but like right now we're going through the revolution is happening or like about to happen. Okay, we're in like this the 1770s or 69 or something like that, like very early on. Um, and like people are being tarred and feathered in the streets because they are loyalists and they're speaking out again, insane. They're fighting against like you're and they're like if you're running a newspaper and you have tendencies one way or the other, like the other side will just come in and burn down your newspaper. Like it was very weird. It's pretty active war zone kind of material.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

Yeah, that's why the amount of people that got executed and stuffed, which is all fascinating now because we look at that, we almost make it like a joke, almost like, oh, you got tart and feathered. Like it's not like a serious thing anymore. It's like it's kind of like a comedic joke of like Tart and Feathered is hardcore.

SPEAKER_03 58:04

It was like a real thing. That's it was it was really hardcore.

SPEAKER_02 58:07

But you didn't die, you did not die immediately, you died later on.

SPEAKER_01 58:11

But it's so crazy, like things like that happen, and we kind of make a joke of it now, of like, oh, like like some kind of bit or skit they were doing. Yeah, and now we're like, that actually like that was legit.

SPEAKER_03 58:22

Well, and what's crazy is like we went from once we did finally start figuring things out and we got kind of sophisticated, then if you moved out west, it was a freaking wild west. Wildest it was back to like you know anarchy and stuff and chaos and no rules, and like it then that quickly it went from like chaos to like um you know, polished and and law and order, and then and slivilized, and then you know, you just move farther out west, and it was like going back in time, you know.

SPEAKER_02 58:52

The old west or like the wild west that we talk about was only like 20 years, like it was a really short period of time, but it was a crazy 20 years, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

That's what they brought in all those lawmen and stuff, yeah. They had to law and order, man, at any cost, they needed it. Between that and the Indian Wars, you know, which where we just basically said deal with it or we're killing you until until we dealt with it or killed them, you know what I mean? And then yeah, that's what we did. Yeah, the Indian Wars, you know. Nobody ever talks about genocide that we're trying to early genocide of ours. We always want to talk about other genocides, they don't talk about that one. Nope, not in our history books, again two less than 250 years ago, yeah, not that long ago.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Was not long, so we are a very young country, and that is the thing. When you if you if you put yourself in that context, it makes you feel a little bit better. Yeah, when you think about you cut yourself some slack a little bit periods in our history, you'd be like, uh, you're having a temper tantrum. Yeah, you're having a little you're a toddler. Yeah, we're still figuring this out. We're we're figuring it out. You cut yourself a little bit more slack, right? So, and uh, and we very much are a toddler a lot of ways. So, when it comes to a lot of that kind of stuff, and we're still growing, absolutely, like we're in the whiny phase.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

We are there's also not very many countries, if any, that I can think of that have gone through this many men for leadership in 250 years.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

They might have when you think about how long Britain's been around, how many thousands of years Britain's been around or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

But in this short, like in 250 years, in that short of time period, they've gone through this many leaders.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:31

Yeah, a lot of them have that.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:33

Look at Scotland and Ireland and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:35

I mean, even if if you look at Rome, like the Roman Republic, yeah, freaking Caesar got murdered, you know, like you're talking like seven in the span of set ten years.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:44

People were in yeah, in Rome, which lasted way longer than we've been around. I mean, they they were burning cities down and they they were doing all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:52

Ours is very organized in that way, like, and it's it's set up so that every four or eight years or so we go through and switch it up on purpose, and so that's a it's a good thing to have that. To me, it's a bad thing to have the same king for 20 or 30 years. That's not good.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:11

Well, back in the day, they get killed. I mean, you look at like even in the Bible times, how many like kings and stuff got killed, you know, here and there, just and anytime there was a little conflict or a war, they'd go at storm the castle, you know, kill the king and take his crown. Now I'm the now I'm in charge.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

The only way to become king is to be born into it, and if you're born to a young father, that's a problem for you. So so it's you might end up getting killed, yeah. So you're so your kids are gonna kill you.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:40

Yeah, they even killed their own kids to like, depending on the line of succession and stuff. There's a lot of assassination going on for the power for power, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:48

Yeah, it's crazy. So we really have nothing to complain about in our country. We're doing it, we're doing we need to do some slack, we're doing pretty good for being 250 years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

Just chill out.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:00

So we're going through a moment. There is a lot of change happening right now, good or bad, however, you look at it. But uh, we're gonna come out on the other side, I think, at least.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

And that's where the risk is if we can weather the storm a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:12

If we if we can all cut it, if we can all cut each other some slack.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

We'll weather it, we'll come out the other side, probably better than we started. Something big will happen that'll come and and and put us back on track. So, however that looks.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:26

Really sounds like we just as a country need to open a bottle and share.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:29

I was gonna say as long as we keep making uh, you know, good beverages and uh and and tobacco to you know to smoke and everything, we're we'll be all right. That's right. We'll be good. We'll make it fireworks fireworks. See you on the next one. That's right.

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