Casey Jones Eclipse and Casey Jones tobacco!

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Welcome to the Whiskey Chasers, where we talk about our passion for whiskey and its history, either amongst ourselves or while interviewing distilleries. All while enjoying a glass. I'm Steve. I'm Nick, and I'm Chris. Please enjoy responsibly while enjoying this week's episode of The Whiskey Chasers.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Hello, everybody. It is the Whiskey Chasers. We're coming at you with another We got another bottle. We got another bottle. Big surprise. And we're smoking. Big surprise. Big surprise. Anybody that smells this is like I would smoke a pipe. So it doesn't always taste like it smells.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

What's a golden Virginia?

SPEAKER_00 0:49

It's a Virginia that's golden.

SPEAKER_02 0:50

It's the color of gold when it's uh the tobacco has a gleam to it.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

It's just like uh it's just like what's his face said about uh golden fields or whatever. Oh, who was that that's saying about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:04

The fields of gold.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Fields of gold, yeah. That's the one with the guy who uh wait, I was on two, I almost had it. The guy whose kid died. What was his name?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Well, I I'm pretty sure there's a lot of those.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Uh but he's a singer. Uh Eric Clapton. There it is. And Fields of Gold. You remember that song? You know what I'm talking about, Steve, right? Yeah. He wrote that about his uh no, that's Tears in Heaven.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

He wrote about you, you haven't even opened this.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

This is an unopened bottle.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

Never never had and never tried. Same thing with the pouch, right? Of tobacco yeah, both of these are brand new. The tobacco I've never had before, and this bottle I've never had before. But uh, this tobacco is Casey Jones tobacco. Uh, it is uh American Hero. Is that what it's called? Uh Heroes Blend. Heroes Blend. So there we go. Heroes Blend.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Uh it's an aromatic. I was trying to figure out. I thought you were saying Casey Jones at the bottle. I was like, that does not say heroes on it, Chris. No, but you're talking about the tobacco. Me and Steve are on the same page. Um we can't have things called the same thing. We can't have both of them Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Technically, if I had said either one, I would have been right. They're both Casey Jones. They're both Casey Jones. They're both Casey Jones, but not the same guy, which we found out. I just found out five minutes ago.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

That's right. Yeah. When we when I when we first discovered this bottle, the story behind it, this is the uh this is the eclipse bourbon. Uh it came out in 2024 during the eclipse. Oh when that it was when they they released a special bottle for that. They did a little, they did a little festival and everything down there for it.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Feels like yesterday. It was not it wasn't, it was it was a whole two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Wow, how about that? I know. I when I was not there for it. Uh I was not there for the eclipse. I was there last summer. So the summer of 25 is when I was down there. I went down with my in-laws for a bit of a family get together. We all went to a cabin down in the land between the lakes, down in Kentucky and Tennessee, down there. And that's where this distillery was. So it's a very loose, very loose cork.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

I was gonna say, I don't want to get sidetracked here, but if I was this cork, I would really have some self-esteem issues. I know, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:20

It goes in and out way too easy. Very, very easy. Um, but yeah, I was down there with the in-laws, and I found out there was a distillery close by. So me and the father-in-law took a little trip and went over to it to check it out while we were there. Did a little tour there. They were bottling at that time. They had like a little honey fest going on, and they you could bottle your own honey finished bourbon. Nice and stuff, so like local honey type of deal. Yep, their own local honey and all that. So that's why I did. And I I I have that one here. We've had that before when I first went. I did that, and it's signed by the by the master distiller there, and I bottled it and wrote on the bottom of it and all that kind of good stuff. On the bottom of this? Um uh on the on the label. Oh, I was like, on the bottom of this?

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Who would do that? Why did you just go on the bottom of this thing? Psycho paddy. That would be like handing some like a pro athlete a hat to sign and he does the inside where your hair goes. Right. Who would do that? Right. No, I mean walk away, dude.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Right. Uh, so but while we were there, they uh they gave us this bottle, this eclipse bottle, to do on the podcast. Oh, so this was a gift. This was a gift, yeah. For the podcast. This was a gift for the podcast. We'll make those things. So I bought the honey one, and then my father-in-law bought a few things, and uh I bought a couple other ones too. But yeah, they gave us this one for the podcast. So uh, but yeah, uh, so yeah, uh went went down to look at it. The cool thing about it though, if you go down there and look in their in their distillery and in their kind of gathering area, there's a big still in there. Uh like a lot of places. This there's a still still there.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

I was swallowing, or else I was gonna say that.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

There's a still still there, and uh and because that's that's in a lot of places, you'll see their first still or whatever. Yeah, they you don't get rid of it. Yeah, exactly. But this one was a square still. What? Yeah, so it's it's shaped like a square.

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Is it even a still at that point? It's it's or is it called something else?

SPEAKER_02 5:20

No, it's still a still, it's still a still. Um just on round. And that's that's how this guy kind of got famous. So Casey Jones is a uh was a moonshiner and still maker and a fan of writing Kentucky. Okay, and he decided to start making square stills because they'll fit in the bed of a of a truck, and so that way you can make quick getaways. That does make sense, and so he you could and he he attached handles to it and stuff along and then uh made the coiling system a little bit easier to take on and off. But doesn't that affect like it's gotta it's gotta affect. I mean, it has to in some way.

SPEAKER_00 5:57

I would think that's a good thing. But there's gotta be a reason why 99.99999, like they're the only ones, right? Everybody in the history of the world has been using like non-square, and then he's like, and he's like, I'm gonna. That's almost like I got an idea for a wheel, you know what I mean? And it's a square one. That's why you get extra traction. Well, maybe too much, you know. I don't know. That's weird.

SPEAKER_02 6:18

So yeah, it is weird. Uh, so they do not use a square still all the time, but they did, but they did, they could, uh, and they they do have one that they still run stuff on. So they could. So they do still use it like specialty stuff that they're I guarantee you that this one's short runs and stuff. This one is not, yeah. I was gonna say this is made in their normal stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

I think there'd be some sort of variation to the plate. Yeah, it would be like, wow, that's different.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

There's but uh and you know, they they tell you there's more touching on the outside, and there's maybe more consistency, maybe less yield when it comes to the heads and the hearts and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

Yeah, I don't know how that works. That's science. I really don't need that's science that I don't care about. I care about it, but I don't understand it. Like I care about gravity, but I still don't exactly understand it. Right. But it is important to know the basics, right?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's that, but that's how they got going. And Casey was doing that for a long time. He but he eventually got caught and went to jail, even with the square.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

So that kind of points out that it didn't matter if they were squares.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

So I mean, and he made it for other people longer than most. Uh so yeah, I mean, he didn't stop moonshining, he went to jail for only two years for bootlegging. Okay, and stuff. So he got caught for bootlegging, and he didn't stop doing this till 1967. Okay, so like he was going for a minute.

SPEAKER_00 7:35

Okay, uh, yeah, and so maybe he came out with the square still after he got caught.

SPEAKER_02 7:40

No, he was done after that. Oh, after that, he he hung it up. He hung it up after he got caught. Uh he got caught lots of times before that, but that was the last time he was caught. That was the last stroke. Yeah, exactly. Was he married? Well, he had kids.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Okay, okay so I don't know if he's married or not. I'll believe the wife that was like, This is it. But you're done.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

He he procreated. Yeah, yeah. Because the guy that started this distillery is his grandson. So, so Arlen, Arlen Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_00 8:06

Is that his middle name? Casey?

SPEAKER_02 8:07

Yep. Arlen Casey Jones. That's actually pretty cool. So hey, Jones is what he goes by.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Those are three first names.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yeah, Arlen Casey Jones. I mean, Jones, I don't know if Jones is a first name.

SPEAKER_00 8:16

Jones, no, Jones is not a first name, is it? I was thinking you can curse. There's a few people, yeah. You call people Jones. Yeah, Jones is the last name Jones. Jones, I was thinking Jonesy kind of a thing, but that's probably a last name people call like as a nickname. Anyway, strike. Use Jose Jones for a drink.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

And he's Jones in for a case. Jones in for a drink. And so he started this distillery. And they've been going since 2014. That's when they opened up. And he is the master distiller. That bottle is signed by him over there. And so and on the bottom, I think that one's signed also.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

2026 now. So 2014 actually 12 years. That's a longer time than I realized. Right. That's a lot longer than like the ones we've done with like four years, right? Yeah. Or something for five or six.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Right. And they've made quite a bit of movement. And so 2022, they opened up a larger area. They have a 3,000 barrel uh Rick House. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Down there. I was just about to ask when you said it was this their you went to their small setup or you got they had a small thing or whatever it was. I was like, how small is the whole operation? It's a pretty decent operation.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

And when I was there, like it's they have the restaurant and the like seating area, but the rick house is right there too. It's all it's very pretty, too. They do a lot of gatherings and weddings and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

So it's just not a big Ohio thing.

SPEAKER_02 9:27

It's just yeah, just not an Ohio thing.

SPEAKER_00 9:29

I would have thought this was like a tiny, tiny distillery.

SPEAKER_02 9:32

No, no. Yeah, this is a little bit bigger, and they have gotten larger as of last month. So so they were they were bought out slash partnered last month and with a lot of breweries.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

Not a lot of distilleries. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:46

So they they joined in with this company called B3 Beverages, and it's mostly breweries and that do finishing type stuff. Well, just whatever, just regular vice versa, versus breweries, local companies. This is the first distillery that they've started they've joined in with, and they seem to be the it's a it's essentially an investment group, but they're letting everybody do their thing, so they're not coming in and taking it.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Okay, I didn't know if it was like one of those where they do their craft beer finished in bourbon barrels and what you get what I'm saying, the bourbon-aged like craft beer.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

When I'm reading about this company and like what they're gonna be doing, because like I said, the this B3 beverages is also new, so conglomerate. There's a conglomerate of some sort, and they do talk a lot about co-manufacturing and and sharing space and doing that kind of to help smaller distilleries or or breweries or whatever to grow and expand. And that's a really cool idea. And I could see a world where yes, they start working with those boundaries to start start doing some finishings, and also having other distilleries maybe start out either do their own distillery and use Casey Jones's to do it, or kind of like Go Both, or because they have that big rick house, they may just be able to age stuff that also uh for other people.

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Bitcoin conglomerates like that too. That's an easy way to start sourcing out of it. Right if you if you acquire other brands and whatnot. That's a massive storage, it's a big place.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

It's a big, it's a big Rick House. And there's no way to when we were at Liberty Pole, how many how many could they hold? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Wasn't it? I don't I want to say it was like 300, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 11:29

No, no, it was 100. There's five floors to it. Yeah. I think they may have only had 300 in there at the time. That's what it was. Maybe that's what it was.

SPEAKER_02 11:37

Yeah, but I thought I remember that number sticking out. The number in my head is like 7,000.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

I think it was it was pretty extreme. Yeah, like they they built it planning for the future, exactly kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:47

But it's it wasn't it was only like partly full on like the one yeah, but they have room to grow, right? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

But Casey Jones doesn't have their warehouse full, the wreck house full.

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I I don't know how full it is. Yeah, they they built that in 2022. Okay, so I I can't imagine that they have it full.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

That's what a picture in my head of like wow, you built it in 22 and you're already full. Like, that's what my brain went to. I was like, that'd be insane. That'd be an insane production.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

It's a lot of distilling yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

So I can't imagine that's the case.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

With those square stills, there's nothing so many. They really pump it out on the square watches. Pumping it out on the square stills. Yeah, I'm just looking at it. So it's a four-grain. It is a four-grain, yep.

SPEAKER_02 12:26

That's what I was gonna look at. Yeah, it's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_00 12:28

And they have it all dialed in there on the numbers. You can see it. 75 corn sitting there looking at it.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Uh 10 wheat and rye and five malted. Five barley. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

I don't know what I'm trying to, I'm trying to like, it's weird because I'm like trying to taste the tobacco, but then I'm also trying to like, so I'm like going back and forth and haven't really done them together yet. I've just been kind of like one or the other. It's good uh for an aromatic. This is pretty decent. It's not bad. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

So what's interesting to me looking at this, I I like the idea of the total eclipse, but what really throws me off is two spirits, one incredible celebration. We created both Total Eclipse Moonshine and Total Eclipse Bourbon for the great American eclipse of 2017 and 2020. So it's a seven-year-old. The question is, does this have moon? Is this a blend with moonshine in it?

SPEAKER_02 13:18

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

They they bottled the moonshine and they bottled the moonshine as a product. It would be really nice if they like separate it out like mini burger.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

I heard that as like they did a moonshine and then they also did a bird. Right. Yeah. And it's like they meant to be.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

It's a four-year-old. It's just four years. Yeah, yeah. It's four years old. I didn't see the age state. It's done down. Underproof, four years old.

SPEAKER_01 13:44

I read.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

I was just looking, I was just looking at the one of those dead gone commas. I read, I read into things. Yeah, you and the commas. I can't follow it sometimes because there's a pause where there shouldn't be. I'm like, wait, how does that work? And then finally it hits. There's not supposed to be a pause there.

SPEAKER_02 14:01

But uh, yeah, so this this one is uh yeah, four years old. Uh came out for that for that eclipse. Like I said, they had a little festival and stuff down there for it, and they came out with this bottle for that. Uh it is a four-grain, and it tastes like a four-grain.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

I like four grain. And yeah, always not all the time, but uh now and then. And they've got corn, yeah, but they but with a little bit more like flavor. You usually get a heavier corn with a four-grain. It's usually the dominating factor. But with the other additives, I just feel like you do get a little bit more of a I don't want to say we're rounded, but like overall flavor profile. It might not be all this or all that, but it's a lot more going on than your typical, like, you know, non-four grains. Typical three grains, your three grains, or your 100% corn, which you're not getting a whole lot of variation. That's the moonshine. Yeah, that's the moonshine. So they do have a line of moonshine, which they mixed with this, right? Yeah, no, 50-50.

SPEAKER_02 14:57

50-50. It looks awful dark for a mix, right?

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yeah, that's what you call 50-50 right there.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

They just threw a little bit in there. That's okay. Just a taste. I'm trying to picture how small this distillery is.

SPEAKER_02 15:08

When I'm thinking honestly, honestly, it's probably like wiggle. Uh not the not the rickhouse part, but the yeah, not the rickhouse part, but the setup because they had a pretty good distilling floor. So it's it's a barn.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Oh, for Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Yeah, for Casey Jones. It's in a barn. So maybe more than I think they have a couple of stills. They have the square still that is in operation, and they have their regular still. They do vodkas and and and gins and a decent array of bourbons and moonshines.

SPEAKER_00 15:41

But is it a big still that they use their their dominating still? It's probably pretty big.

SPEAKER_02 15:45

I mean, it's a yeah, it's a pretty decent size. Um, I'd say it's probably comparable to Wiggle in terms of production, but setup-wise, think of farm. Like there, there are there's a barn there that is the distillery, land and whatnot. There's another building that is their bottle shop and a big room in the back for gatherings. They don't have a restaurant there, but they do have a bar. I'm trying to remember, I think the bar was open to the public. I don't think it was like a just for events and stuff, but I think they mainly use it for events and tours and things like that. And then another building that is the Rick House. So it's a it's a decent setup. This guy's got nothing to do with railroad. This guy's got this guy's got nothing to do with the railroad. Now, Casey Jones, if you've heard of Casey Jones before, you've heard of the engineer Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_00 16:34

I I never heard of any either one of them, just the stuff that's named Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Yeah, and all the stuff that's named Casey Jones is the engineer, the the the locomotive engineer. You all right over there? Those chairs suck.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Dude, this chair, it's like the cushion, like I was like, The cushion slides up. You can't see it, but the cushion was falling right out. And then I just pinched my thumb. I was gonna say it hurt quite a bit, but I'm trying to do it and smoke my pipe.

unknown 17:00

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

I thought you burned yourself, to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

No, that wasn't hurt as bad.

SPEAKER_02 17:04

That this was a straight pinch right on the nail. Anyway, keep going. Uh so yeah, but there is a Grateful Dead song called Casey Jones. There is a Johnny Cash song called Johnny Cash Casey Jones. Well, I they've never heard that, and I listened to a lot of Johnny Cash. Yeah, it's well, it's it's a he's it's a remake, it's a folk song that he he kind of made popular.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

So what made Kate well, okay, so what made this Casey Jones important?

SPEAKER_02 17:26

Because you can't just drive a train and be like in a Johnny Cash song. That's the thing. So Casey Jones, this is way back in 1900. Okay, okay. So trains are kind of the thing at that time. He uh decided he got real into trains and decided he wanted to be a part of it and and go into the locomotive deal. And so he worked his way up and he was running freight trains and was driving them as an engineer. He was a brake as uh as a brake man, and then he worked his way into an engineer. So not passenger trains. Not well, at this time, not passenger trains, and he got very well known for being able to make up time and and get stuff in on time, probably cutting corners of safety to he was fast, but he was well known, well respected.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Is he Thomas the train engine? Is that what he's named after?

SPEAKER_02 18:13

He is not, but that would be cool.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

That'd be kind of cool, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Is there a case? I think I could. I think I can. I think yeah, is there a casey in on that show? We should watch, I should check it out. Probably I haven't seen Thomas the Tank engine in a few years, so I can't tell you last time I saw it. Right, yeah. I bet there is a Casey on there. Yeah, uh, but he did though end up doing passenger trains, and he was the cat uh the engineer for a train, uh engine 382 is what it was called. 382. And the story goes that the the story behind him getting famous is he is driving this train, and it's about three, it's it's like three hours behind schedule. So he is busting it. And like I said, he's known for getting stuff in on time, and they have to drive all through the night, and he's gonna have the right-of-way all the way through.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

And so there's too fast because there's passengers.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Right, there's passengers, but he got it up, so he he got it up to about 75. So he's cooking 75 miles an hour on and in a train, in a steam engine training. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

I have to keep like imagining back then.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Yeah, taking some curves and stuff at 75. Remember what they had to do to get the train up to 88 miles an hour and back to the future. That's a good point. So there's a lot that they had to do for that. They had to throw explosives in there to get that to do. And even then, they barely made it. And they barely made it right right over the the valley. So when they got moved into 75, that's a pretty big deal.

unknown 19:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

So there they pull off onto a siding, they let the uh this freight train that was supposed to go through through, and they go, and now they are the right of the way the rest of the night. They're cooking and they get it to he's about 20 minutes behind schedule at this point. So he is he is catching up, he is, he is making up time all the way through. There's a freight trade coming the opposite way, and they're supposed to go onto this passenger and onto this side rail to let him through. And that's what they do. They go over and they're going onto this siding, their brakes go out, and when that happens, or the brakes lock up, their the air brake line broke, so everything locks up. So the caboose and two more things are on the main line now. And there's there's no like there's nothing to to tell you about it. It's the middle of the night, so you can't see anything, and it was right before an S curve. So there's just no indication that this is about to happen. So they're going and he they get around that curve and they see it. And so he catches the brake and goes. He sends his brakeman or his fireman and says, bail. And so his fireman bails, and they're like I said, they're going about 75. He bails about 300 yards before they made contact. He got the train down to about 35. So he got it slowed way down. Now they did, they broke through, tipped over, all that kind of stuff. The the passengers, maybe a few bumps and scruges. That's it. The only fatality is Casey Jones because he never bailed. If he would have bailed and they would have hit that thing going full tilt, it would have gone all the way through, knocked everything off, and they all would have tipped over. And probably those passengers would have died.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

But if he hadn't been trying to make up time and just driving regular, I don't know. I don't know. Would he be able to slow down enough to where he didn't even cause a fatality? I don't know what normal speed was.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

But he only caused his fatality.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

He must have been going fast to make up three hours. Right, exactly. So my only thing is was the three hours worth the crash?

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Uh well you're you want to ask him?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yeah, because if I was a passenger, I'd rather get there three hours late than be involved in a train crash.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

Well, the passengers, they a lot of them slept through it. They were unaware for the most part. Unless you were in the like the first one. And I'm not saying he's not a hero, but but you get what I'm saying? But also I don't know at that point if he was still, I don't know how fast normal was to be like, oh, it's 75 still really fast.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

But he got it down to 35. My thing is say he was going like a little bit slower, maybe he would have gotten it down to like 15. Maybe, which is a lot better than 35. And may and maybe would have saved his own life. Could have. I don't know. Could have so it's a cautionary tale as well. Don't rush.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

Exactly. Yeah. Uh now his his watch stopped uh on impact, his pocket watch, uh, which so they knew the time that everything happened. So 382. And that would have been cool. That would have been nuts, right?

SPEAKER_00 22:56

They're like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 22:58

But based on the time uh and when how close they were, they would have gotten in on time. So it he didn't make up all of the time that was that was lapsed. Now that train then now has a haunted tail behind it because 382 was rebuilt, which they did a lot back then. They'll rebuild the train. It was rebuilt, it was later on involved in four more accidents. Well, maybe it's a train. Maybe so it wasn't Casey. They then decided that the train was was haunted by Casey Jones. Uh the last one ended up killing the only one that was not the only one that was fatal, but because he was fatal. But the worst one killed four people, including the president and vice president of the railray. Whoa. There you go. There you go. Yeah, so that was the last one.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

So Kate Casey Jones dies to save, then lives to kill. Right. They should make a horror movie about that.

SPEAKER_01 23:53

Yeah. The last one was them being like, trust us, this is safe. Right. You don't have to worry about anything.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

So choking people out with his wristwatch or his uh stopwatch or whatever. So there is a Casey Jones museum, and there's lots of people that that that talk about it. Is it on a train? It is that there is a train out front. It's not opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

It needs to be on a train. The real train is with the uh the Ark of the Covenant. They were in Indiana. Where the Jones put everything in that big warehouse, they got the train 340. Casey Jones is still stuck in there. Skeleton there. Skeleton, you won't leave the train. Gosh, dang it. Well, that's interesting. Nothing to do with the bottle.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Nothing to do with the bottle at all. The and and another bit of irony is that Casey Jones, the train engineer, did not drink.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

He wasn't a drinker.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

He was not a drinker. He was not a teetotaler. Okay. Uh, but he just wasn't a drinker himself. Wasn't a drinker. Until that night.

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Until that night. That's how they made up all the time. Actually, he was he was the regular guy. He was running booze. That's how he got out of it. He's like, okay, I'm gonna join the railway, railway, and then I'm gonna run my booze this way. Don't never catch me.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

Everyone else survived because he was the only one up there. His his quote-unquote fireman was just him, it was his imaginary friend. Like, go ahead and jump off.

SPEAKER_02 25:15

Well, his imaginary friend's name is Sims. Oh, Sims. And he did well. He lived through it. He lived well through it. He continued on in the railroad industry until about 1919. And then he was involved in another near miss and decided he was done with the battery.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

It sounds like that wasn't the safest form of travel back then. It really wasn't. There was a lot of a lot of danger involved. Oh, because people were trying to make up time. If they had gone a safe speed, probably would have been okay. If trains can make up time, why can't planes? Well, they did with the Concord, and then they stopped that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Remember this?

SPEAKER_02 25:50

I don't think so. There was a it was a larger plane. It's called the Concorde. You remember this? I do remember this vaguely, but not much.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

It's weird how nobody remembers the Concorde. I remember it being a bigger deal than people talk about. It's almost like one of those Mandela effects.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

It's like you're asking me to remember the Alamo.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

Like this is a Concord in the 90s, right? It was super fast. Yeah, in the 90s. Okay, yeah. It was revolutionary, and then it just disappeared. Nobody talks about this. You literally could get like an eight, like what would have been like an eight-hour flight would be like an hour. That's literally how fast it was. It was like a jet, it was a passenger jet.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Well, I think I found the reason why they stopped doing it.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

There was a flight from like no, no, there was no there was no problem. Nobody ever had a problem with it. Like, no, there was no tragedies, there was no crashes. Fuel consumption. Literally, like you could get from London to America in like two hours. It was that fast. The Concord. But I think they said it shut down because it was too expensive. However, people were buying tickets, so that doesn't really check out.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Maybe they weren't charging the right price. Yeah, maybe they couldn't like it.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

I just don't think it checked. I don't think it checks out. Like it just disappeared and nobody's replaced it, nobody talks about it. But it was really, really fast. And people flew on it and they loved it. And they were willing to pay the extra money because it was fast.

SPEAKER_02 27:06

But was it maybe a loss leader? Like maybe they didn't get enough to justify the tickets. Like the tickets weren't.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

I mean, it would have had to be very expensive fuel or something. Because they were expensive, but people were buying tickets. So I I don't know. I don't know. Did you buy it? If you look it up, if you look it up, like there was plenty of people that were willing to pay for tickets, but they said the reason why that because they weren't making money. I just don't know if that's true. Because it's like if you're charging the price that you would make money and people are buying it at that price, are you really losing money?

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

And then for it to be completely gone, like nobody's replicated it, nobody's done anything with it. Again, it's like from the 90s. Like, what could we do now with technology? Okay. That was technology in the 90s.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Maybe someone bought it out and shut it down for the purpose of no one else being able to recreate it.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Like the Tucker.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

Like the Tucker.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

You keep bringing up things like I have no idea what the Tucker is. The Tucker car? The Tucker car? Oh, I have heard of a Tucker car, but I don't know anything about a Tucker car. Is this the one that was the good, bad, or radical?

SPEAKER_00 28:10

No, I didn't run this one. Didn't run off water, but it was better in a lot of ways than all the other cars. It's the one that was only, there was only like a hundred and something made because he had this weird thing where he needed a loan and nobody believed him in him. And then when he made stuff, they were like, oh, this is amazing. Basically, he came out with a better automobile for the same or less than like what they were currently going for. They ran better. He invented things. Like he was the first one to have windshield wipers and he had three lights. There were three headlights. There's a whole thing about the Tucker. Um, but basically, the big guy shut him down to a point where it got rid of like obviously he was getting shut down by Ford and Chevy. And like he ends up like being in a courtroom and they're like trying to shut him down legally. And he's basically like, You can't do this to me. And they're like, Well, you don't have the automobiles, and you took a loan out, and since you don't have them, that's this, and you're going to jail. And he's like, I do have them. And the judge was like, if you have one automobile, if you can show me one automobile, then like clearly they're lying and you're free to go. And he had one sitting parked outside. He's like, just open the window and look. And they wouldn't do it. They like refused to open the window and look because it was clearly like he was getting shut down. It's a whole long like thing about it. You'd have to like do the it would be an interesting thing if you have time to like look. It really sounds like he was all tuckered out. He was tuckered out. He was tuckered out. He was all tuckered out. The tucker. Yeah. And then there were a few of those things rolling around at one point. I don't know if there's any more. So valuable. Because this happened so long ago. But they were like super collectible. Because it's like there was only like 100 and something made, or like 50 of them made, or whatever it was. It's an interesting story. But basically, what it boils down to is he's one of the small guys that came up with something better and cheaper than like the big guys and got squashed like a bug. Which does happen.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

Interesting. Well, to go on to the Casey Jones here. So I the reason I ask how small they are.

unknown 30:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

I might have to pour some more to really get a good idea. Uh, but uh I don't get any dusty barn, dusty corn off this. Yeah, there's like an absence of that.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Which is kind of weird and concerning. I don't think it's it's weird or concerning. I think they're bigger than what you think, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Well, so I've been trying to figure out like, okay, this reminds me of something, but it's clearly not like a dusty barn, dusty corn, kind of small craft. And Chris, this will be interesting to see what you think. I finally have pinpointed who this reminds me of. And it's a very specific bottling of theirs. This reminds me of Willet. But the Bardstown. They do the Bardstown estate and the Bardstown bottle and bond. This reminds me of the estate. It's got that, it's not dusty barn, but it's got that like unique flavor to it.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

I get what you're saying. It doesn't taste like Willet, but the way the way that Willet has a a different taste that like a lot of people don't like, and you I can't you can't almost can't put your finger on it. It's kind of like the way I talk about American single malt. Not again, not like an American single malt, but how it's different. Willet has a different kind of tang to it that a lot of people don't like.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Right. And their pot still, a lot of people don't like it because, or even uh Johnny's drum.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

No, yeah, not Johnny's drum, it's not Johnny's drum, is it Johnny Drum? Johnny drum, yeah. Without the yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

So Johnny drum, a lot of people don't like it because it reminds them of a star niece. So that like black licorice almost kind of feel. A lot of people then equate that to, oh, that's Willet's flavor is that that star niece. I don't think that's the really the case, but it's unique enough that people are like, that's the only thing I could pair with it.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Yeah, I see what you're saying. You know, yeah, this doesn't taste like that, but I get what you're saying. It has its own kind of tang to it. And you're almost like not sure if you like it or not. Well, what it absolutely does, it does not taste like craft.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

No, so it's not this is where also it reminds me of Willie. It's almost too polished. It's not craft, but it's also not big boy big name distillery. It's like its own little weird set. It's like one of the middle guys. Yeah, there's plenty of middle guys out there, but there's a very few number of middle guys that can produce something like this. They're like that might almost be big big name distillery, yeah. Like I go with your quality. Quality, but it's not craft at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

Like it was do you get the craft flavor, the dusty barn stuff from Middle West still?

SPEAKER_00 32:37

I've never really gotten that from Middle West.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Uh maybe off their dark like pumper nickel. Okay. Whatever they're right. What about watershed? Oh, watershed back in the day didn't. Not now. No, not now. They haven't had it, they haven't had it for a while.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Which we still haven't exactly determined what causes that. Because it's not every craft distillery, but it's definitely none of the biggest.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Right. Like Iron Vault had some of that. Uh Liberty Pole had some of that. Wiggle a little less, depending on what you had of theirs, but it still had remnants of it. I don't know if it's when you start getting to increasing to a certain size. I I don't know what it would cause it.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

And we've had some places where they have it in certain bottles and don't have it in others. So this is not like that. It's more like quality-wise, it tastes more like the middle of the road. What I'm trying to determine, and it is one of those that you almost have to have a few glasses to determine it. I it's like it's got a lot of flavor. And I wouldn't say full flavor, but it's got what flavor it has is a lot. And there's a lot of different kinds of flavors competing. I don't know if I like it flavor-wise, or I don't know if I don't like it. It's like I'm not sure about what the flavor is. Like maybe it's offensive, but maybe not. Do you get what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_01 33:53

There's too much going on.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it's meshing well or if that's a good thing, or because it is different, but it almost feels like there's like a lot more to unpack than what I maybe what I have time for. That's how I feel. Like I'm almost rushed into trying to unpack what flavor is going on.

unknown 34:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

And I expect something a little bit like easier going than this.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

I want to say a couple episodes ago, we talked about art and whiskey and how they're they're almost intertwined. Like those that appreciate a good art also appreciate like a good whiskey. With that in mind, this very much feels like the artwork where it's just thrown paint against the canvas and they're like, ooh, look at this. And you're like, I'm not sure what I'm what what am I looking at? Like what abstract. You're right. Like I'm I'm struggling to figure out there's so much going on that I'm I'm struggling to figure out what what am I supposed to focus on first to then pull the string to find out.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

I would tweak that a bit. It's for me, it's almost more like finished works of art that are great in their own right that have been pieced together to make its own work of art. You get what I'm saying? Like every aspect is really good on its own, but they're almost like meshed together to a point where they're competing for each like your attention. And in a one way you like it because you appreciate all of them, and together they make new art. But in the other way, it's like, is it distracting? Is it too much? Is it distracting?

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Almost like a collage kind of thing. Collage.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

So like there's at the high school that I work at, it's it's named after Rutherford B. Hayes, the president. And there is a in the in one of the hallways, there is a portrait of Rutherford B. Hayes. So it's a face portrait. But each square of his face, like it's divided into 24 squares or whatever.

unknown 35:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:34

And each one is done by a different student and stuff. So so like his eye is almost like cut in half on one, one of his eyes is like cut in half. Half of it is on one square, the other one's on the other square. So it's two different artists doing it, which is super cool. And uh, and if it was, you know, maybe not a high school and maybe a little bit more professional or whatever. I think that's kind of the idea that maybe Chris is going for is those individual sections and then the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

That are coming together to make one thing, but they are definitely different parts.

SPEAKER_02 36:08

Exactly. But every time I walk by it, I'm looking at a couple of those squares. I'm rarely looking at the portrait.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Right, you get distracted from the whole.

SPEAKER_02 36:17

Exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to do. And so, yeah, and so I think that's what this is because it you're right, it's it's pretty bold. Like there's lots of the flavors in it are full flavors, you're all working kind of independently and also simultaneously. Yeah, and they're not really like you said, they're not necessarily meshing right. So when remember uh to to go back to maybe I think maybe this is what you're thinking of, is is barrel seagrass.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

So it makes more sense.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

And how like you were saying how you didn't like the fact that there were these multiple flavors and they weren't going together.

SPEAKER_01 36:53

It was like shopping each other.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Uh whereas Chris and I were kind of okay with that, with that particular bottle. Um, with this one, we just don't know where we are with it yet. We need to maybe have a few more drinks to figure out.

SPEAKER_00 37:09

But then I feel like also if you were to do that, it would, it's taxing. Like I think you'd get tired of drinking before before you would get tired of drinking before you were actually ready to be done drinking. You might have to switch to something else, which is not always a bad thing. But we've had that with pipe tobacco too, where you're like, this is great, or or maybe this isn't great, but I don't I appreciate it. But I also can only have like one bowl of, or sometimes you're like, wait, am I down to the bottom yet? You know, I'm just done. You know what I mean? Like it's almost a little too too much. It's like having too much, you know, of anything is not is not is sometimes, but sometimes a lot of something very basic is really good. So I don't know. Anybody that says too much of a good thing is a bad thing. I don't know if that's exactly true. But there are times you have too much of something and you're like just done with, done with it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:59

I uh I started cracking up because I had a picture in my head of like, okay, who is this for? Is it welcoming, right? Like when you first open a bottle, is it welcoming, or is it offensive, or is it like extreme, right? I got a picture for this bottle of I think you guys will appreciate this because you guys appreciate Seinfeld, Kramer coming into the room. Yeah, like door flying open, just crazy hair. That that's that. Yeah, he liked that kind of yeah, because his brain's already working like that. Right, exactly. And it's not like that's unwelcoming, but that was his welcoming of like I like you guys. I need I we need to talk about something, or I need to come and do something. That's this bottle. This is Kramer walking in the door.

SPEAKER_00 38:41

I also find it interesting to talk about this aspect of it. Um is like Casey Jones is cool, like the story that you told is really cool. Um, and there's a lot of bottles that are named or like talked about, like where the story's kind of cool or maybe not even that cool, like pepper is one of those, you know what I mean? Like there's plenty of bottles you're like, okay, this story kind of sucks, but they're also not exactly hanging their hat on it. Yeah, and I don't want to say this bottle's hanging their hat on it, but it feels like they're kind of hanging their hat on it. Yeah, and like who really gives a you know about Casey Jones? Like it might be a couple people, but not enough to like name, like make your brand Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

So when I when I when you're at the distillery, there are uh like his his arrest warrant is on the wall, and like so like they're doing some history and around that and the fact that it's his grandson that's running it is is that's more cool. Like that's the cool part of this. If it wasn't his grandson running it, I'd have a real problem with this branding. But since it's family, I'm okay with it. But they need to kind of upsell that a little bit more, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Now, if I was but while I was doing research on this, I was unable to find any mention of Casey Jones the moonshiner that did not come from the distillery. So, like every time it circled always back to the distillery, so I couldn't find anything that was like, oh, this is a famous moonshiner that people know about. Because but he was also a moonshiner, so like that's who's talking about it.

SPEAKER_00 40:15

That leads to you to ask the question of how much is it is true. There it is, exactly, yeah, and how much is just grandpappy did have some moonshine, and he got in a running with the law or two time or two. But maybe it was for freaking fist fighting, for all we know. Like maybe he did come up with a square still, and everybody was like, You're crazy, and he was like, Oh, well, that's me, Casey Jones, you know what I mean? And then they talked him up over the years because every time you you know you die, you become a saint. So then, like, grandpappy casey was he was a hell of a guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Right now, there was like you know, there and everything, they had a lot of the drawings and they had a lot of letters and stuff like that from people of the time and other moonshiners and all that. So, like, I don't think that he was fake, and I don't think that he wasn't a moonshiner. But did they are they talking it up? His level of notoriety maybe isn't quite what they what they were different or at the time. And so, you know, but also that's that's just kind of history. It most people are not as big as we talk about them today.

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Well, yeah, that's the thing. If you were to I heard that today. Um, something about uh I care too much about a good story to to uh mess around with facts to something basically to honor the truth kind of a thing. Like you gotta bend the like if you're not exaggerating a little bit, are you really a good storyteller? I'm not saying you should overdo it, but you do need to exaggerate just a hair, right?

unknown 41:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Maybe it was a little bit more water than it actually was when somebody got wet, you know what I mean, or something like that. But like you don't want to overdo it, but you do have to, you know, kind of spin a yarn.

SPEAKER_02 41:53

Right, exactly. And so and that's the thing, because you know, with with uh our couple of recordings here that we're gonna be doing, the the next the next one we're gonna do is iron shoe distillery and it's up in Michigan. Um, and they have kind of the opposite problem where they really don't have a story. And so which one would you rather have? Would you rather have an overembellished good story or not a story at all? And that's that's a hard thing to do. Do you just go somewhere there in the middle and everyone like a lot of people do? Right. Yep. And I think it usually comes down to is how good is the liquid inside? That's the ultimate deciding thing. And so if the liquid's really good, you can you can let them get away with a little bit more embellishment or more fictional licensing.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

Yeah, exactly. Or or make up for the fact that they don't have necessarily. And here's my thing. I never said that it had to be true. Yeah, but if you are gonna have a story, maybe maybe I do want a little bit more like fake made-up stuff. Like maybe tell me Casey Jones did this, that, or the other. Maybe I'd be like, now that is a story, you know what I mean? Tell me that he was maybe that's part of it. Like, just because he had his square still and he got you know caught and then quit, you know, or something like that. It's like okay. But maybe if you've been like, and he did wrestle an alligator, you know, and and uh and also sold uh private moonshine to president Ford or whatever, whoever the president was at the time.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

You know, something make something up. He needed to kill a regulator or two, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 43:20

There was a couple regulators found dead stuffed in one of his bur bourbon barrels or something, like, yeah, and then they sold the liquid. Yes, right, yeah. Okay, I'll buy that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 43:29

Yeah, that's weird. That's cool. So I and I'm I'm gonna go ahead and add a little bit for your benefit in that because I kind of left this out because it's just kind of a little side thing, and it it almost feels made up. Footnote, okay. Um, but that uh a lot of his moonshine was a bit of a favorite for Al Capone. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

And you can't leave that out, so totally probably embellished, but why not? Maybe not. Yeah, so yeah, when you think Casey Jones, you don't really think Al Capapone. Capone. Yeah. I don't.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

But sure. Yeah. It's our time period though. The time period's right for it. So uh yeah. So um, but there you go. So there's your there's your extra embellishment.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

But but I will say, yeah, based on both stories, I don't know which one I'm more impressed with the tobacco Casey Jones or the distiller Casey Jones. They're both kind of you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_01 44:22

You're hoping for a bit more?

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Maybe. Maybe I want to find out that they were like, you know, some sort of weird distant cousins that switched lives or something, I don't know, or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

The the the engineer Casey Jones was not from Kentucky.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

So he's not even and he didn't even like to drink, not close by.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

He did have a lot of kids.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Yeah. Well, I had enough kids to have a grandfather or a grandson.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

So he had a grandfather, so I I would be very intrigued. I not very intrigued. I think I would I think I might appreciate this distillery a bit more if they relied on something past the name, in the sense that if they have the square still that's what I mean, use the square still. I guess that they maybe yeah all the time. You you that is that is what you're doing.

SPEAKER_00 45:09

Maybe they do need it, maybe a little bit more than just that's what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Like, yeah, or at least something about the square still and why that matters or or what it is, with the except the only the only thing that I know about the square still is that like I said, it's it's it was good for quick getaways. So moonshining era, yeah, it makes a little bit of sense for that. Now, maybe it's more difficult to make, and that's why nobody took it over. Maybe it the the product changes, I don't, but I I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

There's not a lot of science to back up, but then also stick with the theme, make like a Thunder Road bourbon, right? You know what I mean? Make a make a white lightning something. I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm not just saying go nuts, but maybe have a little bit more of a theme if you're gonna talk about maybe be like the prohibition talking about like here's the other thing nobody talks about like racing NASCAR, that all started from bootlegging. We didn't race cars before that. It literally started like the I the then the vert the name Hot Rod literally comes from a car souped up to run liquor illegally. Nobody talks about that. And there's not one distillery that I know of that kind of hangs their hat on that, and why not? It kind of makes sense. Kind of makes sense to do something like that, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Yeah, and these guys do make a decent amount of moonshine, as they should. If that is your story, if that if you're basing yourself off of a moonshine of off of a moonshiner, you better be making moonshine. And these guys do. But yeah, so uh they they make a couple other just regular bourbons, they have a bell and bond, but but their their main stuff is really uh really just their one-of-the-mill bourbons. Uh interesting.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

So it they do mostly focus on bourbons, not on moonshine.

SPEAKER_02 46:59

Now I mean they have a line of moonshine, but you it's hard to make yourself famous on moonshine.

SPEAKER_01 47:05

Right. So I guess the what I think of is like name another moonshine company that focused on a distiller that focused on moonshine that was able to then put out this kind of quality bourbon because they're very they're drastically different from each other.

SPEAKER_00 47:21

Well, I'm just trying to understand why uh maybe it's in Ohio, it's not that popular, but I'm just trying to understand how they're so successful. Like, is there people that are really going after Casey Jones?

SPEAKER_02 47:32

You know, I don't know how much people are going after them. There's not a lot of people talking about them build up to the level, right? But they're certainly at least aiming to go go bigger. And maybe with the backing of this other company, maybe they will start getting into more places. Maybe that's why they had the back end of the other company.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

Right. Maybe they stretched too thin, hoping that at some point it would catch on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:53

And now they need a back end of someone else to just seems to me like a company that would maybe do good having a few things in their lineup, but then mostly distilling for other people. Uh maybe, you know what I mean? Just because Casey Jones just seems to me like a brand of like a manufacturing brand, less of like a brand brand.

SPEAKER_02 48:09

Now, I will say though, their their area and their stuff, their their location. Like I said, they do a lot of weddings, a lot of events, and things like that. So I could see a decent amount of people making it a bit of a destination distillery because of that, because of having an interesting location and it's a very pretty area, and lots of people vacation in that area.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

Like wearing so almost almost winery-like in that, maybe. But again, would you like incorporate that with Casey Jones, the the boot layer? No, the the name itself is. It's just weird, right? It's like it's it's like doesn't go together, you know.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Yeah, this is it's uh land between the lakes, is the is the name of the area, and it's like between Kentucky and Tennessee. Wait, wait, Lando Lakes? No, not Lando Lakes.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

Do do they still have that? Well, they probably don't. Yeah, they do. The Indian on it or whatever. Yeah, the Native American, yeah. Yeah, I didn't know if they took the took that down or that. Because I mean, you really you gotta keep that. Yeah, she's kind of hot a little bit. Sure. Yeah, I think it might be a guy. Uh what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 49:14

It's a girl.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

Is it we're looking it up?

SPEAKER_02 49:18

So it's important now.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

This is important.

SPEAKER_02 49:22

It's like Pocahontas. Right. I don't know. You look it up. Uh, but land land between the lakes is between Kentucky and Tennessee, and it's become a bit of a vacation spot. It's uh there's a the Cumberland River is right there, and another river, uh, all kind of right there?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

They removed her hard. Oh, yeah. Yep, she was known as Mia, and they removed her hard. Oh, it was a lady. Well, that's good for you. No, because they took her away. Dude, you don't remember this? Like, how do you now look you ready? You get what I'm saying? Uh you get what I'm saying? She looks fairly masculine to me.

SPEAKER_01 49:58

What? You know what I'm saying? What are you talking about? You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 50:03

Dude, I think butter's covering up anything important.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Her knees and the well butter. Look at her knees. You see? She's got the hips. You see the hips? Do I really have to point it out for you? And then she's got the milk right here, or the butter right here, you know.

SPEAKER_02 50:20

I did see the butter was in front of her breast.

SPEAKER_00 50:23

A female Native American. Okay, zooming in.

SPEAKER_02 50:26

I do see a feminine face.

SPEAKER_00 50:28

You get that?

SPEAKER_02 50:28

Or yeah, the face.

SPEAKER_01 50:30

But anyway, you're the reason why she's just like they had skirts that covered the ankles back in the day. You see them ankles, you see them knees. But them knees.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

Oh, they even had like a legit person at one point. Oh, see, now there you go. Now that's good old that's me. Yeah, they took her, they were they took her right off of there. That's unfortunate. Well, anyway. Oh, here's Pocahontas. See, not yeah, well, I I recognize that one. Very under probably the most underrated Disney princess, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

Is she a princess?

SPEAKER_00 51:04

Yes, she was the chief's daughter. Yeah, but does that make you a princess? The chief of America?

SPEAKER_01 51:11

He was like he's not the king, he's a chief.

SPEAKER_02 51:14

He was basically have kings, they have chiefs.

SPEAKER_01 51:16

Right. So if he's a chief and not a king, then what does it make her?

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Well, chief probably correlated to the same word as king, they just had their own language. Person in charge's daughter. Yeah, that's the commander in chief. And probably for like he was a guy that treated with the English when they came, so probably the majority of like natives in that area, so like the king of the Indians, like that. She's definitely she's more of a princess than some. I mean, like Ariel, like the little mermaid, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:47

But like there's a god, there's like a god, actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:51

But what I'm saying is like very similar to the chief's princess. Yeah, you get what I'm saying? I agree with the chief's daughter, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's totally 100% unequivocally a princess.

SPEAKER_02 52:00

The person in charge's daughter is princess, is princess. Yes, and like so this is a controversial statement today in in today's world. So go ahead and take away any kind of preconceived notions with this. But the president's daughter, yeah, is essentially a princess, even though the president is not a king, but he's a commander in chief, he's in charge, but he's the guy in charge.

SPEAKER_00 52:23

I think we put too much on the word king and we just differentiate differentiate between that a little. Like he's in charge. A king's in charge, yeah. A president is a democracy. You know, we elect him, but he's still in charge. The only difference between like a king in a traditional society was we didn't elect the king. He was born that way with his birthright. The difference is we are electing the president, so we're choosing him to be. Anyone has a problem with being like, he's in charge. You put him there, you idiot. I didn't, but you didn't, but you don't but collect, but but collectively, collectively, yes, whether you like it or not, collectively, enough Americans got together and said, Yes, this is the guy, or whoever it was. So, based on the public's consent, he's the president at the time, which makes his daughter, whether she's cool or not, a princess, in my opinion. I agree with you, Steve.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

I I go with she as a princess, even if the he should not be a king. And so, yes.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Yeah, I wouldn't say the president's a king in the context that people think of kings, they get ripped and out of shape with that word, but he is the biggest, the highest, the most in charge person in America, which would mean that his daughter would be the most important daughter, probably, right? Like princess. Yeah. The first daughter.

SPEAKER_02 53:36

The first daughter.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

It's the first the first lady, the first daughter, the first dog, the first dog fish exactly in the bowl. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:43

Like, definitely the president in the White House. Yeah, the the vice president. The vice president, yeah, is the second lady. Is there a third lady? There is not maybe a secretary of state. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 53:54

I'm really hoping there's seven ladies.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

But really, if you're not first, you're last. Hello. Mary, say hi in the podcast. We're rounding out a long episode, I forget.

unknown 54:02

Hi, podcast.

SPEAKER_00 54:03

That's our first lady. They all said hi back. You didn't hear.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

This is the first lady.

SPEAKER_02 54:09

All right. But yes, so Casey Jones, uh, we we're unsure about the liquid, it sounds like. Well, it sounds like and the tobacco. It's a different too. Yeah, the tobacco itself is good. Tobacco for me, uh, it is a tobacco is an aromatic. I've decided that this is the right way for me to smoke aromatics, is while talking. Because puffing too much and you don't burn your mouth. And it and I don't burn my mouth. I haven't been burning my mouth at all. That's what an aromatic is for for the other thing. With an aromatic.

SPEAKER_00 54:39

Like you puff a little bit, people smell it, they love it. It's great. You're not smoking that much, you're not burning the crap out of yourself.

SPEAKER_02 54:44

Yeah, because I normally burn my mouth with aromatics. And I think that this this is a good experience. Because you're permanent like a freight train. Exactly.

unknown 54:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Casey Jones. Like Casey Jones.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

You're trying to make up two hours.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

Right. Which is now you should do it. Casey Jones's tobacco. Yes. Uh yeah. Nick for the to for the alcohol.

SPEAKER_01 55:04

For the alcohol. Yeah. What I remember of the honey barrel finish versus this. This is I hate to say better quality.

SPEAKER_00 55:14

Well, it doesn't have honey in it for one.

SPEAKER_01 55:16

But so this is finished in honey barrels. It's not, it's not uh blended with honey.

SPEAKER_00 55:21

But you're not getting honey out of them barrels when you put the liquid in. There's definitely some honey that's going into the liquid, and that's why you got sediment.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

I remember trying the Casey Jones. I remember trying the honey one and being like, this is honey. Like this isn't this is a bit more intense than I was.

SPEAKER_00 55:38

Oh, more honey than you thought. Yeah. I mean he brought it. I might have to try it. It's been a while.

SPEAKER_01 55:42

All right. Well, there we go. Casey Jones. Casey Jones. Jones, Jones, and Jones.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

All the Casey Jones. I'm Jones in for another episode. So we'll do another one.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Come on back. Listen to another one.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

Yep. Till next time, then.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

Until next time.

SPEAKER_02 56:01

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